Rich1939 wrote:
The main gripe has been the single card slot and that is because the nay sayers have made it an issue. I understand that even the default Sony set up on their latest cameras has the 2nd slot inactive. In the real world it is only a talking point for trolls
So how do you explain the D7200 >>> D7500 and the posts that were posted about Nikon going backwards? All the complaints came from Nikon users.
Nikon not failing, just adapting to the changing market with updated technology. BTW the lens adapter is a plus not a minus....and it's only needed for F-mount lenses. Supposedly, with all of the negative press, folks are pre-ordering these cameras with larger than expected demand.
Yes the three main areas they need to improve in the next versions - 2 slots (SD and/or XQD), better battery life (a challenge for all mirrorless ILCs), faster AF with larger buffer.
kymarto
Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy
burkphoto wrote:
All true. But for many, dual card slots means:
JPEGs to one, raw files to the other OR
Video on one, raw stills on the other
Automatic sequential switch-over when first card is full of video
It’s not just about backup.
The Lumix GH5 and GH5s have these features already. You can record video indefinitely — no 30 minute limit and no overheating and no program interruptions (it does save as 4GB chunks) — so long as you have card space and battery power. Cards are hot-swappable during recording. Battery in grip can be changed while battery in body powers camera, or an AC adapter “battery eliminator” is used.
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And yet, its MFT...Top class for many things, not so fine for shallow DOF or low light, and these things are important in my world. Yes, one can use a Speed Booster, and that does take some of the pain away.
kymarto wrote:
And yet, its MFT...Top class for many things, not so fine for shallow DOF or low light, and these things are important in my world. Yes, one can use a Speed Booster, and that does take some of the pain away.
I wonder how all those pros who use m4/3 deal with no shallow DOF.
Thanks for the link. Good points.
The market has already spoken. Preorders have exceeded Nikon’s expectations and planned production capacity.
Nikon has proven again that their engineering and marketing strategies meet their needs.
Each of us gets to decide if these offerings meet our needs.
lev29
Loc: Born and living in MA.
Bob,
I'll have to take your word for it that this bloke's opinion is "dead on". The clip is 10.5 minutes long, and after an excellent two minute preamble, this Sony mirrorless user wondered why he was stupid enough to spend time viewing it, so I erratically jumped to future portions of it and found that the main issue appears to be what the OP stipulated in the first place:
ONLY ONE SD CARD SLOT!!
HORROR of Horrors! Like that's all I ever worked with! Yes, I know I'm just an Intermediate Amateur, but does this really matter to other amateurs? Do they have nothing better to do but ponder this?
I too am nauseated by the blanket coverage given to this Nikon Z-series in all the photo e-newsletters I receive! Yes, I know that they've just gotten through hyping Sony's a7 mk III mirrorless camera. I just zipped right passed it because for me, it's simply not worth the money to me for both the camera and all the new FE E-mt lenses I'd have to buy AS WELL AS
having to learn how to use a whole 'nother camera, as if learning the a6000 wasn't complicated enough already (I love Gary Friedman's book on it, including that its size is indicative of just how sophisticated that "old" model from way back in 2014 is.)
So I don't know if Nikon has "failed". The only reason I have to hope that it hasn't is the concept of maintaining
competition. Otherwise, who cares? It's just another company marketing a new product that's already the status quo, and maybe they've added one or two little innovations to boot.
dsmeltz wrote:
I think he, like so many others, got over focused on one issue with these models. There are so many other things to not like about this entry into FF MILC. I really think they made these two models as placeholders for there loyal base. They provide no improvement to attract system changers. This is indicate by the timing of the release and the content of the systems. If they wanted to attract new users, they would have needed to introduce significant improvements over what is on offer from competitors (Sony and Canon) and they would have offered after Canon had released something they could beat not shortly before Canon is rumored to be announcing.
This is for the base.
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I'm glad that you started your thread with, "I think..." thus verifying that this is merely your opinion and not fact.
I don't know if Nikon has failed all I know they are late to the game --as far as I am concerned I have already bought into Sony and M4/3rds
Rich1939 wrote:
The main gripe has been the single card slot and that is because the nay sayers have made it an issue. I understand that even the default Sony set up on their latest cameras has the 2nd slot inactive. In the real world it is only a talking point for trolls
It's not clear to me why such a big issue is being made of the single card slot. The SD card is not the only single point of failure in a camera but it is being treated as though it were. The Naysayers act as though you can't shoot a wedding without a camera that doesn't have multiple card slots. Anybody that shoots weddings without bringing at least two complete camera/flash outfits is flirting with disaster. When I was shooting weddings in the days of film, I had two identical camera outfits and both were near me at all times. In those days, there was no LCD panel to review images as they were taken so you had to be intimately familiar with the sound of your camera to determine if it was operating properly. But that alone was not enough. You could not rely on sound alone to warn you of an impending issue. So to be extra safe, I would routinely switch between the two outfits thus each camera had half of the wedding. Today's digital camera at least provides the photographer feedback on the LCD panel as to whether an image has been captured or not. As I understand it, the image that is displayed on the LCD is being read from the memory card and not the camera buffer. In summary, let me provide a bit of warning to photographers contemplating event photography. Some states are getting very strict regarding the liability of the photographer in the event of a failure to perform. If I were still shooting weddings and events, I would continue to carry two outfits and I would continue to shoot half of the event on each of the outfits. With today's smaller M43 systems, there is no excuse for not having both outfits with you at all times.
tdekany wrote:
I wonder how all those pros who use m4/3 deal with no shallow DOF.
Fast primes. f0.95 Noktons and Leica f/1.4, f/1.7, f1.2 and Panasonic f/1.7 and Olympus f/1.2 and f/1.8...
All those lenses perform well wide open and phenomenally well stopped down one or two.
lev29 wrote:
Bob,
I'll have to take your word for it that this bloke's opinion is "dead on". The clip is 10.5 minutes long, and after an excellent two minute preamble, this Sony mirrorless user wondered why he was stupid enough to spend time viewing it, so I erratically jumped to future portions of it and found that the main issue appears to be what the OP stipulated in the first place:
ONLY ONE SD CARD SLOT!!
HORROR of Horrors! Like that's all I ever worked with! Yes, I know I'm just an Intermediate Amateur, but does this really matter to other amateurs? Do they have nothing better to do but ponder this?
I too am nauseated by the blanket coverage given to this Nikon Z-series in all the photo e-newsletters I receive! Yes, I know that they've just gotten through hyping Sony's a7 mk III mirrorless camera. I just zipped right passed it because for me, it's simply not worth the money to me for both the camera and all the new FE E-mt lenses I'd have to buy AS WELL AS having to learn how to use a whole 'nother camera, as if learning the a6000 wasn't complicated enough already (I love Gary Friedman's book on it, including that its size is indicative of just how sophisticated that "old" model from way back in 2014 is.)
So I don't know if Nikon has "failed". The only reason I have to hope that it hasn't is the concept of maintaining competition. Otherwise, who cares? It's just another company marketing a new product that's already the status quo, and maybe they've added one or two little innovations to boot.
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This "Bloke" that you refer to is Matt Granger, an experienced and established photographer with an impeccable reputation.
rcarol wrote:
It's not clear to me why such a big issue is being made of the single card slot. The SD card is not the only single point of failure in a camera but it is being treated as though it were. The Naysayers act as though you can't shoot a wedding without a camera that doesn't have multiple card slots. Anybody that shoots weddings without bringing at least two complete camera/flash outfits is flirting with disaster. When I was shooting weddings in the days of film, I had two identical camera outfits and both were near me at all times. In those days, there was no LCD panel to review images as they were taken so you had to be intimately familiar with the sound of your camera to determine if it was operating properly. But that alone was not enough. You could not rely on sound alone to warn you of an impending issue. So to be extra safe, I would routinely switch between the two outfits thus each camera had half of the wedding. Today's digital camera at least provides the photographer feedback on the LCD panel as to whether an image has been captured or not. As I understand it, the image that is displayed on the LCD is being read from the memory card and not the camera buffer. In summary, let me provide a bit of warning to photographers contemplating event photography. Some states are getting very strict regarding the liability of the photographer in the event of a failure to perform. If I were still shooting weddings and events, I would continue to carry two outfits and I would continue to shoot half of the event on each of the outfits. With today's smaller M43 systems, there is no excuse for not having both outfits with you at all times.
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Wear one with a wide prime or short zoom, and the other with a medium tele or medium to long zoom. M43 gear is half the weight of FF, so it’s easy.
burkphoto wrote:
Fast primes. f0.95 Noktons and Leica f/1.4, f/1.7, f1.2 and Panasonic f/1.7 and Olympus f/1.2 and f/1.8...
All those lenses perform well wide open and phenomenally well stopped down one or two.
Even my 40-150 2.8 will do just fine.
I don't think that Nikon is listening to it's photographers, both pro and consumer. The DF, and I have one, was never the camera it should have been and we all hoped it would be replaced with the one we wanted. It is a good camera but not the great one it could have been. The z's need better autofocus, better buffer speeds, 2 card slots and a lower price to really hit the market. They should certainly be lower than Sony's to get into a market they have ignored for 3-4 years. They have lost all sense of marketing which may be the Japanese and may be just Nikon.
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