warrior Loc: Paso Robles CA

I been watching Nikon's likes and dislikes on U-tube. on the z6 and z7I am not a pro. 1 card slot, weak battery, adapter needed for lens use . Would like to hear from UHs

GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City

My take: Not a failure, just growing pains.
I read something HERE about the Z6 and Z7 not being the top tier mirrorless cameras they'll have and the pro camera will be coming.

"On whether Nikon releases a pro model like the D5 in the Z line, he (the Nikon Exec) said: "Count on it!"

Perhaps that will have 2 slots- I'm nervous about having only one slot too, though I've not had a card go bad in camera...yet.
You need an adapter to use older lenses, not the newer Z lenses and the adapter is available at a discount when you buy the body.
People have complained about Nikon lenses being out of date....this is the change Canon has gone through already.
I've appreciated being able to use my old Nikon lenses on the digital bodies.

Where is Canon's FF mirrorless offering?
(probably working out the bugs)

MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama

What have they failed to do that they said they would do..... kind of a broad statement. Do you think that maybe supposedly half way informed consumers such as us raised expectations way too much and were looking for Godzilla right out of the gate ? Carry a couple batteries and a backup card; we all knew that there was going to be an adapter for older lenses.... really not too much failure at all so far; lets at least wait till consumers get their hands on experience before sounding taps.

rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona

One of the most dead on commentaries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkR9GfQHIEc
--Bob

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

As a longtime Canon user, I cannot support the idea that Nikon has failed, in fact I think that it will succeed. It may take a few product cycles, but these new offerings seem pretty good on paper. As for Canon, we have to wait and see what is produced. Canon may fail, although they claim to be the #1 mirrorless vendor in Japan, with Sony at #3. Japan is a different market in comparison to Europe and the US.

Although I am personally in the DSLR camp, I expect that mirrorless will dominate over time, but not necessarily in its current form. I have seen and used some excellent mirrorless cameras - not Canon - but nothing that would tempt me to make the change. There's nothing wrong with those cameras that I have tried - Sony, Fuji, Olympus, Panasonic - they're just not tempting enough for me to switch.

So good luck to Nikon, I expect Nikon to do well, the company has many advantages over Sony.

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

At least they're FINALLY trying to be serious about mirrorless. Wait for actual real-world reviews by working photographers, and in-depth reports from DPReview and other serious review sites.

The specs look just okay, relative to Sony and other mirrorless cameras. I don't see any revolutionary, home run features. Lots of people were expecting some. What we have seen so far looks like mirrorless cameras of the previous generation or two from Sony, Olympus, Panasonic, and Fujifilm, but with newer full frame sensors and a nice new *wide* lens mount.

The meager selection of NATIVE lenses is a concern. (a 70-200mm *f/4*? Really?) The performance of the adapter for F-mount Nikkors will, therefore, be key. AF, Video, and Audio performance will be key.

We will have a lot better feel for the relative market positions of mirrorless camera companies in about six months. Let's not forget that some players have had ten years' intense, primary focus on mirrorless. Nikon and Canon had "sideline hobbies" in the Nikon 1 and early Canon EOS M series. It will take a while for them to get their bearings. But they should learn quickly...

https://youtu.be/iUii9dTwPkw <— Tony and Chelsea Northrup's impressions

BebuLamar

Nikon didn't succeed in term of getting other brand users to buy Nikon. The new Nikon didn't beat the Sony in the FF MILC market. But any Nikon users who want to go mirrorless would likely to buy the Nikon. The 2 cameras are good enough and the adapter is considered a success to me rather than failure. Not changing the lens mount is outright stupid for Nikon.

blackest Loc: Ireland

complaining about the lens adapter just shows ignorance of how lenses work. Weak battery, still 100's of shots. 1 card slot ok maybe a big deal for pro's.

AF with a 50% failure rate.. thats not good. Although thats in bad light on a preproduction model according to the Northrups

On the other hand if your a nikon shooter and want to shoot more video, you may find this attractive at least until the replacement models are released.

Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.

I'm not so sure that is their primary goal vs keeping current Nikon users at home.

For now

BebuLamar

Actually I feel that Nikon has failed not because of their cameras but because it seems that they have problems delivering all the cameras that people want at the time they want them. Selling a product that you can't make is as bad as making a product that you can't sell.

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

Interesting perspective on the market, and product adoption. I agree with what he said from a market analysis viewpoint, but it has nothing really to do with the actual product, however he could improve his video editing, it was <cough> a little jerky!

That said, I agree with your assessment. Good thing to post, thank you.

BebuLamar

It's important to keep their current users at home. If these folks feel the pressure to go mirrorless and there is no Nikon they would go other brands and after getting a few lenses it's hard for them to come back. And yes there is the pressure to go mirrorless and you can feel it by reading the UHH.

Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.

I think the Northrups did their viewers a disservice by making specific comments based on a pre production model. General comments about things like size, weight, and ergonomics is about all that can be expected from that unit. I guess they felt they'd be more relevant and capture a bigger audience but, it's a phony review.

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

I always hate it when manufacturers demonstrate pre-production gear by handing it to people who are natural critics. The gear gets a nasty reputation before it's finished. I know the marketing types are trying to create buzz and get people to save up for the Next Big Thing, but if it doesn't work at the demo... whoopsie! Bad Press! BAD, BAD Press!

If Apple had handed the first iPhone prototypes to a room full of journalists, it very likely NEVER would have had a successful launch. Steve Jobs was at the podium with two of three prototypes in existence. All three were highly unstable and very likely to fail. He got lucky! He stayed on script and two of them worked. The flaws were hidden and they had six months to finish the thing.

BebuLamar

I am invited to a launch event next week locally. I hope I can attend. I wish to check out the EVF. To me that's the only thing that counts as I am sure the picture quality in term of color, dynamic range, noise would be good.