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Aug 18, 2018 11:01:57   #
tomad Loc: North Carolina
 
It's total manual control, i.e., not letting the camera make ANY decisions as to how to take the shot.

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Aug 18, 2018 11:04:48   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
fourlocks wrote:
The definition will probably never be agreed upon. I always thought manual means aperture, shutter speed and ISO are "manually" set by the user without any help from the camera. Does manual also require the user to hand-focus as well or does manual only refer to the exposure?

My '70's Nikkormat had the internal exposure pointer that simply had a "+" or "-" to tell me if the exposure was too light or dark. If I trusted the camera's meter, I was relying on the camera to figure out if the exposure was correct, wasn't I. My father had a '60's Kodak "Retina" 35mm camera without any form of internal exposure meter. He used a hand held meter or simply relied on experience for the aperture and shutter speed settings. The film's ISO was, of course, fixed. A purist could argue that any camera that takes a battery isn't a 100% manual camera.

Then there's the comment that on a typical DSLR, the dialed "manual" mode means the user has to select aperture and speed but that setting allows for auto ISO. This gets us to the oft-explored question as to whether "manual" has to include the user setting the ISO. I'm of the school that allows auto ISO to be used and still call it a manual setting. In this case, manual means the user adjusts aperture and speed to get the DOF and movement freeze or blur (s)he wants without worrying whether the ISO can allow for it as we had to in the old SLR film days. In the final analysis, I really don't care what mode I'm in, as long as I get the results I want and if someone comments that I produced a really good picture, they never ask, "but did you shoot it on manual?"
The definition will probably never be agreed upon.... (show quote)


If you aren’t referencing a neutral test target of 12 to 18 percent reflectance, and the scene isn’t “average”, the meter is inaccurate. That means auto ISO or a blind reliance on “match needle” or “match data” metering is wrong.

That’s why many of us insist on FULL manual being control of the entire triangle.

There’s nothing wrong with any mode, so long as you are aware of the scene brightness and color temperature, and compensate accordingly.

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Aug 18, 2018 11:12:19   #
redlegfrog
 
charlienow wrote:
I am a little confuse...what exactly is manual. Is A priority or S priority manual. Even though you let the camera light meter set the exposure? Or do you have to set everything, including manual focus?


Manual is place where instruction for camera can be found.

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Aug 18, 2018 11:14:41   #
bweber Loc: Newton, MA
 
Even in full manual mode my Canons show a natch needle that is directed by the camera's meter. So, unless I ignore the meter I am not shooting completely manually. I use manual settings when shooting with flash so I can control shutter speed up to the max synch speed if I want to expose some ambient light. I also can control depth of field with the aperture. I tend to shoot some studio type portraits at f1.8 or 2.0 depending on the lens I am using.

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Aug 18, 2018 11:43:09   #
BebuLamar
 
charlienow wrote:
Thanks for all the reply’s to my post. Obviously there is no one definition of manual. On UHH I see people who consider A, S and M to all be manual mode. Others who believe You must set everything for it to be considered to be manual...others that possible believe that program mode is a form of manual mode. That the only non manual mode is in the auto mode.

My belief is that true manual mode is where you are in M and set shutter, aperture, and iso yourself without the use of a light meter...I don’t shoot this way...it is slow and a royal pain. I use the cameras meter and A or S mode and usually with a fixed ISO...I usually keep the camera in program mode when not in use or traveling so I can get the quick grab shot that I was not expecting.

Not sure why Nikon, Canon and other manufactures would bother to put the various modes on their cameras if full manual mode was the best exposure mode.

Anyway was just curious as to the answers I would get. Even though I am not that good of a photographer I still love the hobby and will hopefully be able to take pictures until the day I die.

Chuck
Thanks for all the reply’s to my post. Obviously t... (show quote)


Manufacturers need to make what sells and not what's best.

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Aug 18, 2018 11:57:11   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
You set ALL settings yourself, the camera makes no decisions. If yet A then you only set one setting and the camera does the others....


charlienow wrote:
I am a little confuse...what exactly is manual. Is A priority or S priority manual. Even though you let the camera light meter set the exposure? Or do you have to set everything, including manual focus?

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Aug 18, 2018 12:04:30   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
Manual mode is simple:

You do everything related to exposure.
Set the ISO
Set the Aperture
Set the Speed

Disable all camera features if you do not shoot raw. You would leave the camera free to to whatever if you do not disable it. This includes the White Balance.

Some purist will add... Focus manually.

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Aug 18, 2018 12:16:01   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
charlienow wrote:
Thanks for all the reply’s to my post. Obviously there is no one definition of manual. On UHH I see people who consider A, S and M to all be manual mode. Others who believe You must set everything for it to be considered to be manual...others that possible believe that program mode is a form of manual mode. That the only non manual mode is in the auto mode.

My belief is that true manual mode is where you are in M and set shutter, aperture, and iso yourself without the use of a light meter...I don’t shoot this way...it is slow and a royal pain. I use the cameras meter and A or S mode and usually with a fixed ISO...I usually keep the camera in program mode when not in use or traveling so I can get the quick grab shot that I was not expecting.

Not sure why Nikon, Canon and other manufactures would bother to put the various modes on their cameras if full manual mode was the best exposure mode.

Anyway was just curious as to the answers I would get. Even though I am not that good of a photographer I still love the hobby and will hopefully be able to take pictures until the day I die.

Chuck
Thanks for all the reply’s to my post. Obviously t... (show quote)


Using a light meter, whether in or off camera or simply using your eyes to "meter" the light do not qualify as auto anything. The meter does nothing for you to automate the process, any more that a tape measure does construction. It is just a measurement.

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Aug 18, 2018 12:18:35   #
cambriaman Loc: Central CA Coast
 
Manual is like using my old Rolleiflex. You make every setting.

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Aug 18, 2018 13:34:05   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
Dave327 wrote:
Manual: You set the exposure (F stop), you set the shutter duration, you set the ISO, but have the option to leave ISO on auto and have the camera decide the ISO based on the exposure & shutter speed you have set. Auto focus still works fine, unless you want to switch to manual.


Manual is manual exposure... just the way it sounds. With M you make all the settings, the camera doesn't make any. This is a slower process that requires you have some knowledge how to set things up, but it "locks down" exposure so that it cannot vary due to different tonalities in the scene being photographed. Manual exposure might be set referencing the camera's built-in metering system or by evaluating the histograms of test shots made with the camera, or with a separate hand held meter, or even "by eye" if you have learned to do so. Cameras with electronic viewfinders might be able to be set using what's seen on that screen with a form of Exposure Simulation. Similar can be done using the rear LCD screen and Live View on many cameras that have optical viewfinders, instead of EVFs.

Some cameras also have a "B" or "Bulb" setting, which is for fully manual, extra long exposures that you time yourself. Most modern cameras can do as long as 30 second exposures using M.... so B would only need to be used for timed exposures longer than that.

A (or Av) is Aperture Priority AE... You set the ISO and the aperture, the camera automatically chooses what it thinks is a correct shutter speed.

S (or Tv) is Shutter Priority AE.... You set the ISO and the shutter speed, but leave it to the camera to choose what it thinks is a correct aperture.

P is Program AE... You set the ISO and the camera chooses both shutter speed and aperture, based upon info that's been programmed into it.

Manual WITH Auto ISO is a new exposure mode made possible by digital imaging (couldn't be done with film). It most definitely IS NOT manual. It's just another form of auto exposure (AE). You choose the shutter speed and the aperture, but the camera is allowed to select the ISO it uses. That's auto exposure too!

Because all cameras use a reflective metering system to determine exposure, with all the AE modes you may need to use Exposure Compensation to "correct for errors". Reflective metering is influenced by the tonality of any subject you're focusing upon. This is because the camera has no idea what's in front of it.... and it can only assume that everything is "18% gray" (or that the range of tonalities being measured average out to 18% gray). But not everything you photograph is 18% gray. For example, if you're shooting a bride in a white gown in a snow storm... an unusually light tone subject and scene... the camera is going to want to under-expose... so when using any of the AE modes you have to dial in some + Exposure Compensation. At the other extreme, if you're photographing a black bear in a coal mine... an exceptionally dark subject and scene... the camera is going to try to over-expose and when using any of the AE modes you will need to dial in some - E.C. in order to get an accurate exposure. (Exposure Compensation doesn't work in fully manual modes... but you have to take these same factors into consideration and skew your setting appropriately, when relying upon the camera's reflective meter for info and the subject/scene aren't "average tonality".)

None of this has anything to do with Auto Focus modes... I don't know why anyone would even mention it because it's not really relevant. Some minor exceptions where exposure and focus [i][atterns[/i] are interrelated include Evaluative/Matrix Metering, which measures the entire scene but places extra emphasis on small areas immediately around the active AF point(s) or some advanced cameras have a means of linking Spot Metering to the Active AF Points to measure only a small area right around the active AF point. Both of these sort of assume that you are focusing on the primary subject, and therefore that's the most important place to meter.

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Aug 18, 2018 14:44:41   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
leftj wrote:
It's a type of labor.


Or that annoying book that comes in multiple translations that no one ever consults....

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Aug 18, 2018 14:49:31   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
Dave327 wrote:
Manual: You set the exposure (F stop), you set the shutter duration, you set the ISO, but have the option to leave ISO on auto and have the camera decide the ISO based on the exposure & shutter speed you have set. Auto focus still works fine, unless you want to switch to manual.
If you have ISO on auto, you no more shooting in manual!

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Aug 18, 2018 14:56:36   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
speters wrote:
If you have ISO on auto, you no more shooting in manual!


Ok. So if I follow the process of choosing all elements of exposure but set my camera to “vivid” or one of those “film modes”, am I still shooting manual?


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Aug 18, 2018 15:05:41   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
On my M-6, I had three lights to indicate proper exposure - and they were biased by irrelevant light. There was no exposure compensation, no spot metering, no auto IS0. You set the ISO, aperture, shutter speed and focus and fired the shutter. That was manual!

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Aug 18, 2018 15:47:07   #
Daryl New Loc: Wellington,New Zealand
 
When you set everything manually.

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