Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)

Don't be stressed.

Read this -

https://www.slrlounge.com/workshop/dynamic-range-and-raw-vs-jpeg/

The summary is with an image that can be captured within the comparatively narrower contrast range (dynamic range) of a jpeg, the raw capture will not show any significant difference from the jpeg in most cases.

When you have a lot of fine detail or you have a very wide range of tonal values, all the care in the world used in setting up the exposure, and ninja-like postprocessing skills are never going to create the information that the camera recorded but tossed in the creation of the jpeg. And you will see a very obvious difference. Situations like skies with clouds, recording a bird with brilliant white plumage and dark plumage, waterfalls that are partially in sunlight, surrounded by heavy foliage - these are a few examples where having the extra dynamic range of raw comes in handy.

Raw is what works better in these situations. Generally speaking, the files are larger even if they are lossless-compressed, and a buffer will fill faster giving you fewer images in a burst. But the pluses are many - faster workflow, easier editing, 100% reversabilty of edits, being able to create virtual copies without the need to create a duplicate file, and best of all - far more latitude in processing that will let you make exposure decisions that would result in some pretty ugly jpegs out of the camera.

I teach all of my newbies how to set the camera to the raw setting and how easy it is to process the raw files and so far have gotten any complaints. It seems that only the old-timers seem to have issues with shooting raw. This surprises me, because post processing was absolutely routine back in the film days, unless you shot color transparency media.

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

BebuLamar

I am an old timer although I am a few years younger than you are but I always shoot RAW even when I had only a P&S.

Allen hammer

Nope not a troll. Had a Canon 5Ti and shot in raw and processed photos just fine. Got the 5D mark iv and learned after I got it that Adobe OS and lightroom could not handle the photos that were collected in Raw format. Seems like a major oversight but that's OK . To me it's not a significant difference. My photos are just as good as anyone shot and processed with Raw settings. Thanks for comments to you and all else. Great forum here.

Strodav Loc: Houston, Tx

My camera bodies allow for the capture of images in both raw and jpg at the same time. I have a client (actually I volunteer at an animal shelter) that wants small jpg files to post on their website. I set the camera up to take highest quality raws and normal jpgs. I can sort and hand off the jpegs immediately after a shoot, but still have the raw files for those shots I want to take to post processing and print. I can satisfy the client and still have all the advantages of large raw files. So, the moral of the story is to use the format that best fits your (clients) needs.

DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA

If you have an old copy of Lightroom check to see if your Adobe Camera Raw is up to date or if your old Lightroom version is compatible with current ACR. If your ACR is from before the introduction of the 5DIV, it will not recognize the "new" raw files. Typically it takes Adobe a month or three to update ACR for new camera models. There's no reason a current version of LR would not be able to handle the raw files from a 2 year old camera.

redhogbill Loc: antelope, calif

https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/search-topic-list?q=jpeg+vs+raw&sectnum=0&username= here is all the info you need

Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)

Nice thing about raw converters like Lightroom and Capture One is that you can define import presets that mimick camera settings so that images look pretty good after import.

Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)

Definitely not an old timer above the neck. 😁

I've shot raw exclusively since 2006.

ppage Loc: Pittsburg, (San Francisco area)

Has anyone else in this forum been unable to open 5D IV Raw files in Lightroom Classic CC? I figured with the popularity of that camera we would have heard something about this by now?

DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA

https://helpx.adobe.com/camera-raw/kb/camera-raw-plug-supported-cameras.html

On 5D IV there is a footnote:

https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/multi/editing-canon-dual-pixel-raw-cr2.html

mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey

if you are basing it on what the images look like straight out of the camera then you don't understand the purpose of raw. Shooting raw is all about post processing. If you have no intention of regularly post processing your images, then shooting in jpeg is the best option for you. If however you do intend to post-process a significant portion of your images shoot raw. Raw gives you a much greater adjustment lattitude and the potential for far better results in the hands of someone skilled in post processing their images.

mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey

It is not a major oversight of all. If you have a current version of Lightroom and Photoshop, raw files from the 5D Mark IV are supported. If you have an older version of that software, be aware that Adobe does not update older versions of their software with new camera information after the next version has been released. It's pretty much the same story with all post processing software, regardless of vender.

if you cannot see the difference between post processing raw files and post processing JPEG files, then it is likely that you do not really take advantage of the post processing tools at your disposal. Depending on what you're doing with your images, the differences are far from subtle. Just as a couple of examples, noise reduction and the extraction of details from deep shadow areas is far superior when shooting Raw.

robertjerl Loc: Corona, California

Huh? What problem????
Probably not a problem with the camera.
Your software is the problem. Either you are using old versions or you have not kept up with the updates for the different new RAW formats of the latest cameras. What versions are you using?
I have been shooting RAW since I got my first DSLR (Sigma SD10 that only did RAW) aprx 15 years ago. I have never been unable to process in my PP apps (for a short time I used the PP app that came with the camera to convert while Adobe caught up with the new camera.)
I have been using a 5DIV for 8 months now. No problems with RAW.

So, use the free Canon software that is part of the camera's software bundle, convert the RAW to Tiff or what ever (save the originals in a separate file and import into LR after you have an up to date version)

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

From Adobe's web site:

"Adobe Camera Raw and Adobe Photoshop and Lightroom offer standard support for all Canon 5D Mark IV CR2 files. Please note that Canon’s Digital Photo Professional software is required for users that want to take advantage of Canon’s new *Dual Pixel* raw adjustments.

Pre-processing Canon Dual Pixel Raw files before opening in Adobe Camera Raw or Lightroom:

Open the Dual Pixel raw .CR2 file in Canon Digital Photo Professional.

Adjust the image using the Dual Pixel Raw Optimizer.

Adjust the white balance.

Create a TIFF file with your adjustments.

You can now import or open the resulting TIFF file in Adobe Camera Raw or Lightroom."


I'm pretty sure the dual pixel raw feature is proprietary.

Digital Photo Professional (DPP) is great stuff. When I was a Canon user, I preferred it to Lightroom/ACR/Photoshop for initial raw conversion of difficult images.