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Jun 25, 2018 08:00:53   #
ggenova64
 
What is? Breakthrough Photography's CPL for $149 with a 30 year warranty.

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Jun 25, 2018 08:05:22   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Breakthrough Photography's CPL


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Jun 25, 2018 08:18:14   #
Blaster34 Loc: Florida Treasure Coast
 
kb6kgx wrote:
I’m looking for a CP for my Sigma 17-50, which takes a 77mm filter. It’s been recommended, here in UHH, that the Kaesemann filters are very good. Not inexpensive, but not too much, either.

It’s also been recommended to just go with the Nikon-branded filters. Why put anything else on a Nikon lens, some commenters have said.

I wouldn’t have a real problem with the Nikon filters, as I’ve seen only one in each filter size, but with the Kaesemann filters, there appears to be several versions, covering a wide price range. But I don’t know why I would want THIS one as opposed to THAT one, what the differences are, etc.

One negative I’ve heard about the Nikon CP is that because it’s such a thin filter, that it’s hard to get a good grip on it for removal purposes. You think you’re turning the filter, but you’re just turning the moveable part of it.

So, recommendations on which CP to buy?
I’m looking for a CP for my Sigma 17-50, which tak... (show quote)



Make sure they're brass rings, or so I've heard....less chance of them getting stuck

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Jun 25, 2018 08:29:34   #
tomcat
 
kb6kgx wrote:
I’m looking for a CP for my Sigma 17-50, which takes a 77mm filter. It’s been recommended, here in UHH, that the Kaesemann filters are very good. Not inexpensive, but not too much, either.

It’s also been recommended to just go with the Nikon-branded filters. Why put anything else on a Nikon lens, some commenters have said.

I wouldn’t have a real problem with the Nikon filters, as I’ve seen only one in each filter size, but with the Kaesemann filters, there appears to be several versions, covering a wide price range. But I don’t know why I would want THIS one as opposed to THAT one, what the differences are, etc.

One negative I’ve heard about the Nikon CP is that because it’s such a thin filter, that it’s hard to get a good grip on it for removal purposes. You think you’re turning the filter, but you’re just turning the moveable part of it.

So, recommendations on which CP to buy?
I’m looking for a CP for my Sigma 17-50, which t... (show quote)



Singh-Ray makes a great polarizer. The LB polarizer ColorCombo. The LB means that the light transmission is brighter than the standard polarizers and you only lose 1.5-2 stops of light on average, versus the 2-2.5 stops loss with other brands. I just got one of these and it's been on my lens ever since. It is an amazing invention because it brightens up the colors also. You can really crop deep into an image with this.


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Jun 25, 2018 08:59:24   #
C. Loren Loc: MN
 
I bought a couple of Hoya's to go on my Tamron 150 - 600MM lens. I put them on and tried the lens. It was far less than acceptable! I took the lens back to the store where they took off the filter(s) and it was great. Now with excellent filters on the lens it is an excellent lens.

The moral of the story is, "Bad filters make for a bad lens!"

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Jun 25, 2018 09:08:16   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
kb6kgx wrote:
I’m looking for a CP for my Sigma 17-50, which takes a 77mm filter. It’s been recommended, here in UHH, that the Kaesemann filters are very good. Not inexpensive, but not too much, either.

It’s also been recommended to just go with the Nikon-branded filters. Why put anything else on a Nikon lens, some commenters have said.

I wouldn’t have a real problem with the Nikon filters, as I’ve seen only one in each filter size, but with the Kaesemann filters, there appears to be several versions, covering a wide price range. But I don’t know why I would want THIS one as opposed to THAT one, what the differences are, etc.

One negative I’ve heard about the Nikon CP is that because it’s such a thin filter, that it’s hard to get a good grip on it for removal purposes. You think you’re turning the filter, but you’re just turning the moveable part of it.

So, recommendations on which CP to buy?
I’m looking for a CP for my Sigma 17-50, which tak... (show quote)


B+W and Heliopan both make Kaesemann filters. Kaesemann refers to the type of polarizing foil used in them, as well as additional weather sealing.

Shop around....

77mm B+W F-Pro Kaesemann High Transmissive MRC is $90 and 77mm B+W F-Pro Kaesemann High Transmissive Nano MRC is $110.... at B&H Photo or Adorama, in NYC (free shipping).

Both those B+W filters use high quality Schott glass in a brass frame (less likely than aluminum to get stuck). Both are also High Transmissive (HT), which means they block less light than "traditional" C-Pols. They "cost" approx. .76 to 1.5 stops, where regular C-Pol block approx. 1 to 2 stops or a little more.

The difference between the two B+W Kaesemann HT is that the XS-Pro uses a slim frame, while the F-Pro's is standard (B+W's standard is already pretty low profile). The F-Pro uses 8-layer "MRC" multi-coating, while the XS-Pro uses 16-layer "Nano MRC" that's a little more dust/scratch/water/oil resistant and easier to clean.

77mm Breakthrough Photography X4 has almost identical specs to the B+W XS-Pro... for $150. 77mm Heliopan HT Slim is also very similar to the XS-Pro... for $195.

The Nikon "II" filter is a said to be a good one too, has 8-layer multi-coating (earlier Nikon filters, not "II", do not have multi-coatings)... but uses an aluminum frame and unspecified glass... 77mm for $129. That's roughly equal to Breakthrough's X2, which sells for about $100, 77mm.

Some other good ones:
Singh-Ray LB ColorCombo (warming & intensifying) 77mm... $370 (slim version $400)
Singh-Ray LB Neutral (alu frame) 77mm... $240
Rodenstock HR Digital (HT, slim brass frame, multi-coated) 77mm... $205
Hoya HD3, 16-layer nano coatiings ("optical" glass? aluminum frame) 77mm... $200
Zeiss T* (unspecified glass and coatings) 77mm... $180
Rodenstock Digital Pro MC 77mm... $165
Hoya EVO (16 layer nano coatings, alu frame) 77mm... $156
Heliopan SH-PMC (same specs as F-Pro, but not HT) 77mm... $146
Tiffen HT (unknown glass & coatings, titanium frame) 77mm... $126
Marumi EXUS (alu frame with Teflon coated threads) 77mm... $118
Hoya NXT Plus (unspecified glass & coatings, alu frame) 77mm... $113

It's pretty hard to beat B+W's price versus features & quality.

Note: C-Pol are available combined with warming.... If you use Auto White Balance or Custom White Balance while the filter is installed, the warming effect is cancelled. (Warming can be achieved with digital simply using Warm Cards or similar to set a Custom WB.) C-Pol are also available combined with neutral density, to increase the amount of light being blocked. Combination filters tend to be a good deal more expensive, but can reduce need to stack filters when multiple effects are wanted.

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Jun 25, 2018 09:50:03   #
NCMtnMan Loc: N. Fork New River, Ashe Co., NC
 
I prefer the B+W HTC's which are their very thin version. They are usually ranked high in reviews, and the HTC helps reduce vignetting. My understanding is that Hoya makes the Nikon filters.

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Jun 25, 2018 09:50:46   #
grandpaw
 
Architect1776 wrote:
It is different on WA lenses.
I have had mixed results when I was lazy but with sky pay attention to the sun angle and that makes a big difference. No sky should be no problem rally.
Don't give up with WA just more effort and trial and error.


I have had mixed results also, ranging from bad to worst. I position myself properly to the sun and also tried different positions and they all gave my some pretty funky skies. I tried two or three different filters with different cameras with the same results.

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Jun 25, 2018 10:10:26   #
Toby
 
kb6kgx wrote:
I’m looking for a CP for my Sigma 17-50, which takes a 77mm filter. It’s been recommended, here in UHH, that the Kaesemann filters are very good. Not inexpensive, but not too much, either.

It’s also been recommended to just go with the Nikon-branded filters. Why put anything else on a Nikon lens, some commenters have said.

I wouldn’t have a real problem with the Nikon filters, as I’ve seen only one in each filter size, but with the Kaesemann filters, there appears to be several versions, covering a wide price range. But I don’t know why I would want THIS one as opposed to THAT one, what the differences are, etc.

One negative I’ve heard about the Nikon CP is that because it’s such a thin filter, that it’s hard to get a good grip on it for removal purposes. You think you’re turning the filter, but you’re just turning the moveable part of it.

So, recommendations on which CP to buy?
I’m looking for a CP for my Sigma 17-50, which tak... (show quote)


I don't know but would bet that Nikon does not make this filter. They probably have someone else make it and put their name on it. Can't do everything,

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Jun 25, 2018 10:30:33   #
steinr98
 
Just remember, "You get what you pay for"!! Why buy an expensive camera and put a junk filter in front?? B&W, or Hoya are two of the best out there- Pay the price and you will be happy!!

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Jun 25, 2018 10:38:41   #
Bob Boner
 
Another vote for Breakthrough.

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Jun 25, 2018 11:09:28   #
JeffinMass Loc: MA
 
In my experience the German glass is always the better way to go despite the cost. You do get what you pay for here. $149 is only 4.96 a day for 30 days or .40 a day in a year. If you have it for ten years it's only .4 a day. See. The math is already done for you :)

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Jun 25, 2018 12:10:14   #
NMR Loc: Edmonton, Canada
 
I would recommend the B+W filters. The quality is excellent. In my opinion, you (generally) get what you pay for and the few extra bucks for B+W are worth it. Nikon filters are also excellent, but you do pay an extra premium for the name.

I've had several bad experiences with Hoya quality. Should you ever have an 'accident' in rough terrain (as I have), the Hoya filters shatter in a way that damages your front lens element. I've not had this with B+W. Yes, I know I should probably travel in less dangerous areas for photos, but what fun is that?

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Jun 25, 2018 13:05:25   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
kb6kgx wrote:
I’m looking for a CP for my Sigma 17-50, which takes a 77mm filter. It’s been recommended, here in UHH, that the Kaesemann filters are very good. Not inexpensive, but not too much, either.

It’s also been recommended to just go with the Nikon-branded filters. Why put anything else on a Nikon lens, some commenters have said.

I wouldn’t have a real problem with the Nikon filters, as I’ve seen only one in each filter size, but with the Kaesemann filters, there appears to be several versions, covering a wide price range. But I don’t know why I would want THIS one as opposed to THAT one, what the differences are, etc.

One negative I’ve heard about the Nikon CP is that because it’s such a thin filter, that it’s hard to get a good grip on it for removal purposes. You think you’re turning the filter, but you’re just turning the moveable part of it.

So, recommendations on which CP to buy?
I’m looking for a CP for my Sigma 17-50, which tak... (show quote)


Kaesemann. That means the filter will have a very fine polarizing grid and the grid will be sealed away from the elements at the edges. It is worth the extra money. Just ask the pro that went into the Amazon rainforest and had mold and algae grow in the tiny spaces between the grid lines (not me; I always buy Kaesemann).

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Jun 25, 2018 13:48:31   #
sueyeisert Loc: New Jersey
 
I have B+W the ring around the glass is brass. It won’t bend that easily.

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