How can so much information be put into such a small chip?
May 15, 2018 16:05:54 #
ToBoldlyGo
Loc: London U.K.
Cheese wrote:
TVs, desktops, laptops, cellphones, watches, speakers, all added tons of features in the digital age, yet got smaller.
Cameras got chunkier.
Cameras got chunkier.
That also have far more features and abilities. Plus you say cameras as if you exclude genuinely smaller cameras. Smartphone cameras for example.
May 15, 2018 16:13:54 #
ToBoldlyGo wrote:
That also have far more features and abilities. Plus you say cameras as if you exclude genuinely smaller cameras. Smartphone cameras for example.
As I mentioned in my initial post, I'm comparing SLRs with DSLRs.
There is no analog version of the smartphone camera to compare it with.
May 15, 2018 16:20:32 #
ToBoldlyGo
Loc: London U.K.
Cheese wrote:
As I mentioned in my initial post, I'm comparing SLRs with DSLRs.
There is no analog version of the smartphone camera to compare it with.
There is no analog version of the smartphone camera to compare it with.
So was I when I mentioned features and abilities. There are plenty of smartphone equivalents to compare with, all larger, but I take your point that it's not connected with your post.
The Angry Photographer on YouTube has some videos in which he disassembles cameras. He does comment on one having lots of empty space inside it. It certainly is possible to have smaller cameras, but I've found from experience that larger fits my hand better. My previous camera I felt the need for a battery grip, my current camera is larger and I don't feel as though I need one. I suppose there are lots of options on the market.
May 15, 2018 16:31:09 #
ballsafire wrote:
First we had video tape to store our movies on and... (show quote)
Micro photographic reproduction...
Circuit traces are approaching 7 nanometers now. That’s REALLY small!
May 15, 2018 19:14:06 #
May 15, 2018 20:37:17 #
ejones0310 wrote:
Moore's Law says chip density will double every 18 months. 50 years later it's holding up.
the other half of Moore's Law is "and prices halve every 18 months." When I started computing with a Kaypro IV computer in the mid 80's, memory cost about $100 per megabyte--and last week I bought two 64-gigabyte SDs at Costco for about $32!
May 16, 2018 04:51:21 #
JimH123 wrote:
And they are not done making things even smaller. Flash memory is going to 3D where cells are stacked above each other on the die. And they are stacking die.
And the memory is still getting faster too.
Star Trek here we come!
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And the memory is still getting faster too.
Star Trek here we come!
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They've been working on 3D "matrix" memory for a while. I'm excited to see what the future holds. I'm expecting leaps and bounds above and beyond anything we're used to today.
May 16, 2018 05:41:19 #
Cheese wrote:
As I mentioned in my initial post, I'm comparing SLRs with DSLRs.
Which 'SLR' are you comparing to? My Pentax "Super Program" was very svelte; the Pentax "K-1000", in production at the same time, was 'clunkier' {as were Practika cameras}. Shortly later, Canon hired an industrial designer to design the body of the T-90, and we've been stuck with that design ever since.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_T90
May 16, 2018 09:35:45 #
New chips have already been developed that will hold 1 terabyte, not for sale yet but in a few years.
May 16, 2018 10:37:15 #
wrangler5 wrote:
Perhaps because the typical SLR body doesn't have ... (show quote)
The "darkroom" and "image projector" are software that reside on the chip, and do not add bulk to the camera.
Smartphones have these functionalities, and see how slim they are.
May 16, 2018 11:11:47 #
Cheese wrote:
TVs, desktops, laptops, cellphones, watches, speakers, all added tons of features in the digital age, yet got smaller.
Cameras got chunkier.
Cameras got chunkier.
The Nikon F5 weighs in @ 1210 gr, and the D5 @ 1410 gr.
The Nikon D5 has 2 storage cards with a capacity of literally thousands of images, while the F5 only holds 36 image rolls.
Chunkier, maybe, but vastly more capable.
May 16, 2018 11:14:24 #
May 16, 2018 11:21:57 #
ole sarg wrote:
How is it put on such a small chip? The chinese have small hands!
Careful now. A few years ago, in more politically correct times, the Secretary of Labor got fired for making the same joke.
May 16, 2018 12:37:46 #
Many years ago, I installed an in-house color lab in my studio. Our 40 inch paper processor had a compartment loaded with big clunky electrical relays, all sorts of electro-mechanical and elecro-magnetic devices, gears, chains, cams, gas-filled thermostatic probes and more. All this to control the drive motor, circulation pumps, wash water, replenishment flow and temperature management. 5 years later we purchased an additional machine. When it arrived, I though something was missing. This time a much smaller compartment housed a few printed circuit boards, some chips- to me they looked like robotic rectangular cockroaches with little silver legs! The big old relays were replaced by a few solid state components “Triax”- as I recall. The gas filled probes were now little thermistors. Thing is- 4 chips controlled the entire machine. That was in the 1980s- high tech? Space age!
I was impressed when all the resistors, and small capacitors in my electronic flash lamp heads- the trigger circuits- were replace by little flat micro-circuits. And little diodes instead of those selenium rectifiers in the power supplies. No more vacuum tubes to heat up in the color analyzers. Our video-analyzer had tubes too and took up half a room!
The only good thing about all this old gear is that problems were easy to troubleshoot- faulty components would smoke, burn, explode, pop, squeak and rattle or turn black and you could actuality repair and replace stuff! Chips die quietly and unceremoniously and everything just shuts down! You may have to replace the entire “board” or just throw the entire device away! You need to be a brain surgeon to take a soldering iron to one of those boards.
I had to go out on location to photograph those newfangled computers with reel to reel tape drives- the units were the size of telephone booths. You could not put one in you lap or on you desk!
Chips in cameras?! The only time you had that is if you dropped the thing and something “chipped” off and rattled around in the body.
Y'all should stop complaining about the bulk and weight of those BIG DSLRs. They are miniaturized computers/cameras/GPS devices and more and could probably be set to brew your coffee in the morning!
LOTS OF INFORMATION!
CHIPS!- Wasn't that about the California Highway Patrol?
I was impressed when all the resistors, and small capacitors in my electronic flash lamp heads- the trigger circuits- were replace by little flat micro-circuits. And little diodes instead of those selenium rectifiers in the power supplies. No more vacuum tubes to heat up in the color analyzers. Our video-analyzer had tubes too and took up half a room!
The only good thing about all this old gear is that problems were easy to troubleshoot- faulty components would smoke, burn, explode, pop, squeak and rattle or turn black and you could actuality repair and replace stuff! Chips die quietly and unceremoniously and everything just shuts down! You may have to replace the entire “board” or just throw the entire device away! You need to be a brain surgeon to take a soldering iron to one of those boards.
I had to go out on location to photograph those newfangled computers with reel to reel tape drives- the units were the size of telephone booths. You could not put one in you lap or on you desk!
Chips in cameras?! The only time you had that is if you dropped the thing and something “chipped” off and rattled around in the body.
Y'all should stop complaining about the bulk and weight of those BIG DSLRs. They are miniaturized computers/cameras/GPS devices and more and could probably be set to brew your coffee in the morning!
LOTS OF INFORMATION!
CHIPS!- Wasn't that about the California Highway Patrol?
May 16, 2018 14:51:38 #
pendennis wrote:
The Nikon F5 weighs in @ 1210 gr, and the D5 @ 1410 gr.
The Nikon D5 has 2 storage cards with a capacity of literally thousands of images, while the F5 only holds 36 image rolls.
Chunkier, maybe, but vastly more capable.
The Nikon D5 has 2 storage cards with a capacity of literally thousands of images, while the F5 only holds 36 image rolls.
Chunkier, maybe, but vastly more capable.
Point I was trying to make is that all the other devices mentioned became more capable AND smaller.
DSLRs became more capable and bigger.
Smartphones have shown that it is possible to add all these capabilities without adding bulk.
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