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May 15, 2018 09:56:54   #
htbrown Loc: San Francisco Bay Area
 
One of my favorite science fiction stories (from the 1970s) was about how scinetists manages to fit all the world's information onto the tiniest of chips - and then they lost it.

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May 15, 2018 10:30:13   #
Tronjo Loc: Canada, BC
 
Only few realize that all this miniaturization was made possible by the invention of the laser, maybe the greatest invention of the last century.

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May 15, 2018 10:50:15   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
How is it put on such a small chip? The chinese have small hands!


ballsafire wrote:
First we had video tape to store our movies on and I wondered why because everything was moving to digital. Result, huge video cameras, etc. Now at last the "chip" has been miniaturized and it seems to me too small, even dangerous to use around people who could swallow or loose them. And, this isn't only limited to camcorders but to digital SLR cameras as well. Everything is so small when it comes to digital equipment nowdays!! I am not complaining one bit, I'm amazed. Again, how do the scientists or someone make a chip with so much information so SMALL? In the "old days" everyone was amazed at things that were BIG! I understand a lot about bits and bytes but so small the chip needs a frame to enter the computer, etc. ---- LOL
First we had video tape to store our movies on and... (show quote)

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May 15, 2018 11:04:10   #
RichardSM Loc: Back in Texas
 
LarryFitz wrote:
I agree, not only did it move technology, but it out many people to work. Work that for many could easily be reused it other areas in USA economy. Boo to all that said it was a waste to send all that money up into space.


B/S Larry we the people of of the world have gained a lot if you bothered to look I’ll bet a lot of your appliances in your home have lots of technology in it because of going to space.

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May 15, 2018 12:30:36   #
WB9DDF Loc: Knoxville, IL
 
Arthur C. Clark came up with the answer. He wrote "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

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May 15, 2018 13:47:30   #
ToBoldlyGo Loc: London U.K.
 
Sorry, but some of the posts here make little sense. Please guys, read it through before you post. Thanks.

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May 15, 2018 14:09:44   #
cambriaman Loc: Central CA Coast
 
Ones and zeroes have no dimension. The storage devices continue to shrink. The computer I used at USC for my MSEE program was the size of three SubZero refrigerators and had all the capability of a hand calculator (which didn't exist then). We had to work in a 50 degree room on a keyboard mounted on the mainframe cabinet. Times they are a changin' and will continue to do so.....as long as ones and zeroes are still states of charge.

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May 15, 2018 14:10:12   #
Cheese
 
But aren't we missing the big picture? If tiny SD cards are replacing larger film spools, why is the typical DSLRs body significantly chunkier than the typical SLR body?

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May 15, 2018 14:37:37   #
JimH123 Loc: Morgan Hill, CA
 
ballsafire wrote:
First we had video tape to store our movies on and I wondered why because everything was moving to digital. Result, huge video cameras, etc. Now at last the "chip" has been miniaturized and it seems to me too small, even dangerous to use around people who could swallow or loose them. And, this isn't only limited to camcorders but to digital SLR cameras as well. Everything is so small when it comes to digital equipment nowdays!! I am not complaining one bit, I'm amazed. Again, how do the scientists or someone make a chip with so much information so SMALL? In the "old days" everyone was amazed at things that were BIG! I understand a lot about bits and bytes but so small the chip needs a frame to enter the computer, etc. ---- LOL
First we had video tape to store our movies on and... (show quote)


And they are not done making things even smaller. Flash memory is going to 3D where cells are stacked above each other on the die. And they are stacking die.

And the memory is still getting faster too.

Star Trek here we come!
.

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May 15, 2018 14:52:10   #
wrangler5 Loc: Missouri
 
Cheese wrote:
But aren't we missing the big picture? If tiny SD cards are replacing larger film spools, why is the typical DSLRs body significantly chunkier than the typical SLR body?


Perhaps because the typical SLR body doesn't have the equivalent of a darkroom and image projector built in?

I switched from film to digital in 2002 after going to a 2-weekend horse show that my daughter was competing in. First weekend I took my usual film SLR (Nikon F100, IIRC - most useful Nikon I ever owned, and I started with an FTn in 1970) and came home with the usual 20-25 rolls of B&W film, which took the rest of the nights in the week to develop, dry, cut, file in sleeves and print contact sheets for future reference. The second weekend I rented a Canon DSLR outfit from my full service camera store (they didn't have Nikon equipment for rent). I had done the necessary research to have image viewing and organizing software on a laptop computer that went along for the weekend. After I came back to the motel at the end of the first day of digital shooting and had contact sheets in the computer in about 30 minutes, just waiting to be printed when we got home, I never took another frame of film.

I don't remember the Canon EOS D30 being significantly larger than the Nikon F100. But its functionality was so vastly superior (for my purposes) to the film/wet development/contact print process I had been using before that I didn't care about size. It fit in about the same size camera case, and that was enough.

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May 15, 2018 15:30:02   #
pendennis
 
ejones0310 wrote:
Moore's Law says chip density will double every 18 months. 50 years later it's holding up.




And Moore's law is really "retroactive"; technology itself has been advancing at that rate since the dawn of the 20th Century. Flight, medicine, telecommunications; all have experienced similar growth.

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May 15, 2018 15:37:47   #
Cheese
 
wrangler5 wrote:
Perhaps because the typical SLR body doesn't have the equivalent of a darkroom and image projector built in?

I switched from film to digital in 2002 after going to a 2-weekend horse show that my daughter was competing in. First weekend I took my usual film SLR (Nikon F100, IIRC - most useful Nikon I ever owned, and I started with an FTn in 1970) and came home with the usual 20-25 rolls of B&W film, which took the rest of the nights in the week to develop, dry, cut, file in sleeves and print contact sheets for future reference. The second weekend I rented a Canon DSLR outfit from my full service camera store (they didn't have Nikon equipment for rent). I had done the necessary research to have image viewing and organizing software on a laptop computer that went along for the weekend. After I came back to the motel at the end of the first day of digital shooting and had contact sheets in the computer in about 30 minutes, just waiting to be printed when we got home, I never took another frame of film.

I don't remember the Canon EOS D30 being significantly larger than the Nikon F100. But its functionality was so vastly superior (for my purposes) to the film/wet development/contact print process I had been using before that I didn't care about size. It fit in about the same size camera case, and that was enough.
Perhaps because the typical SLR body doesn't have ... (show quote)


So we are miniaturizing the SD card but having to lug around a darkroom and image projector. After which we come home to a second "darkroom" (LR/PS) to get the final product.

Progress?

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May 15, 2018 15:49:46   #
wrangler5 Loc: Missouri
 
It's progress for my purposes. My first DSLR (Nikon D100) took something like 5 seconds to save a 6Mb RAW file to the physically large (compared to SD) CF card that held up to 512Mb, or so, and the camera was locked up while the file was writing. My current Olympus OMD EM1 MkII writes ~20Mb RAW files to the tiny 64GB SD card as fast as I can push the shutter button. In film terms it's like going from a single reel developing tank to a multi-roll continuous processing machine. If the camera had to get a bit bigger to do that, so be it, as long as things I need to carry continue to fit in a "normal" camera bag (although in fact the micro-4/3ds equipment is smaller and lighter than either the DX or FX bodies and lenses I have in the Nikon system.)

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May 15, 2018 15:51:17   #
ToBoldlyGo Loc: London U.K.
 
Cheese wrote:
So we are miniaturizing the SD card but having to lug around a darkroom and image projector. After which we come home to a second "darkroom" (LR/PS) to get the final product.

Progress?


How is it not?

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May 15, 2018 16:03:54   #
Cheese
 
ToBoldlyGo wrote:
How is it not?


TVs, desktops, laptops, cellphones, watches, speakers, all added tons of features in the digital age, yet got smaller.

Cameras got chunkier.

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