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Mar 27, 2018 06:38:41   #
OnDSnap Loc: NE New Jersey
 
Thank God we don't all see alike...

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Mar 27, 2018 06:47:50   #
The Villages Loc: The Villages, Florida
 
I guess a lot comes down to.... has the picture you've taken look like what you actually saw? When you originally saw the scene, something intrigued you about it. Assuming your camera has reasonable reproduction powers, you leave it as is.

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Mar 27, 2018 06:54:43   #
papakatz45 Loc: South Florida-West Palm Beach
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
You are not the first - or the 50th - to voice this "concern" on this forum. Apparently you (and all who wrote the same thing before you) feel there is only one correct way to shoot or edit photos and that is your way. Why can't folks pursue and enjoy this hobby in whatever way they choose?


Well said!

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Mar 27, 2018 06:59:16   #
papakatz45 Loc: South Florida-West Palm Beach
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Nice shot, R.

My point has nothing to do with creative (or constructive) criticism of work that an individual has posted for feedback. My point is the number of people who feel entitled to complain about other people's interests and tastes in processing as if there is only one correct way.

One person's "bad habits" may be pleasing to someone else, and more importantly, may bring joy and satisfaction to the creator of the work. From my early days of exploring Topaz Simplify, I do have a few that make me cringe but many that I am still very fond of and certainly wouldn't consider changing just because someone else finds it overcooked or otherwise lacking.

The joy for me has been in the journey, much of it my own exploration and whatever interests me at the moment, and some of it satisfaction at achieving a certain goal with the input of thoughtful fellow travelers.
Nice shot, R. img src="https://static.uglyhedgeh... (show quote)


Go get'em Linda! I agree 100% with you.

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Mar 27, 2018 07:07:26   #
aquadiver Loc: Planet Earth
 
chippy65 wrote:
Yes, I agree very strongly. "You can't believe your own eyes".... From 'Celebrity' and fashion pictures worked over to give the "perfect image"

to fake news. Photographic evidence used to be the gold standard of something that was to command absolute confidence.

In the most extreme examples the photographic medium is guilty of telling lies.

Police and forensic offices assiduously take photographic evidence to be used in court. Have the pictures taken come under suspicion of fakery ?
Yes, I agree very strongly. "You can't believ... (show quote)


I am an underwater photographer (not exclusively), and I have often said that almost all u/w photography is a "lie." Why? Because the brilliant colors in photos of corals and sponges and anemones and fish are not what we actually see down there. Water rapidly strips out color as you go deeper, starting at the red end of the spectrum. By the time you get to 60 feet down, everything is a blue-green. That's why even non-photographer divers often carry lights, and it's definitely why photographers always shoot with high-powered strobes. We find the "real colors" by firing strobes, which are only effective within 6-8 feet of the subject. And then we get to Lightroom, punch it up a bit, sharpen it, and most of the time send it to PS, which does a better job of removing backscatter, which is the reflection of the lights off the many tiny particles drifting along in the water column and make it look like a snowstorm. The end result looks nothing like what I saw just before I took the photo, but it is an accurate rendition of what is down there. I make no apologies for it.

For photos out of the water, I tend to prefer a natural look, but I occasionally will shoot something HDR because of the way a scene is naturally lit. My aim is to produce photos that please me and maybe someone else who will buy them. I'm not (any longer) a photojournalist or a police photographer, and I don't think anyone other than those categories should be held to that standard. Besides, through lighting, cropping and many other techniques, even SOOC can be made to "lie."

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Mar 27, 2018 07:10:14   #
PAZ Loc: Glen Ridge NJ
 
As a corporate shooter, I charge for "Post Processing"....to download, edit and convert raw to jpeg for client's use. Retouching is also post processing to "enhance" a portrait. Shooting under mixed lighting WB, dodging burning, etc. helps make your work pop and crushes anyone trying to do the same with a smart phone. Very seldom do I give a client something right out of the camera, only when under a tight deadline for a blog or Twitter feed in real time.
X-rays prove that even the greatest artists worked their canvasses to the Nth degree to finesse the final painting.

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Mar 27, 2018 07:11:46   #
BboH Loc: s of 2/21, Ellicott City, MD
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
You are not the first - or the 50th - to voice this "concern" on this forum. Apparently you (and all who wrote the same thing before you) feel there is only one correct way to shoot or edit photos and that is your way. Why can't folks pursue and enjoy this hobby in whatever way they choose?


They certainly can do "...whatever way they choose.". But, I agree with Bob - to an extent and that is when I first glimpse and see what I consider to be overly processed image I go back to the main body of the forum and look for the next topic of seeming interest. Personally, I'm interested in photographic images; that said it might be considered to have a topic titled "Artistic Renditions".

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Mar 27, 2018 07:15:07   #
dcampbell52 Loc: Clearwater Fl
 
Keldon wrote:
I agree whole-heartedly. There seems to be too much emphasis on improving what should have been rendered properly in camera in the first place.
Some birders especially seem to be addicted to over sharpening to the point their birds look almost artificial, or at a minimum, stuffed.
Post processing certainly has it's place but people should remember the adage; "less is more," when you work on your photos.
Our hobby is supposed to be photography, not computer processing.


You are absolutely WRONG!! The Photography hobby includes preparing for the shoot, proper camera operation AND processing (which in the old days would be developing, enlarging and print drying and mounting). Processing is now the development (IN COMPUTER) of your DIGITAL images. If you don't agree, then fine.. but don't try to place your misinterpreted thinking on others. I've been shooting since 1957 (First film using a Kodak 35 and then Rolei then graduated to Hasselblad, Miranda and Nikon. I got a couple of point and shoot digitals and then a Nikon D70s. When you shoot digital, you have the advantage of looking at the shot immediately after you take it, you can set your camera to do a lot of in-camera processing etc. Or, you can (as I do) get the basic shot and then PROCESS it ON a COMPUTER to get the shot that I (the PHOTOGRAPHER) wanted. HOWEVER, now in digital, we also have the opportunity to experiment, adjust and many other things that were difficult or impossible with film. Photography is an ART form and in such, no two artists will see or develop in the same way. Just because you CHOOSE to do it one way and someone else is so misguided to do it different from you doesn't make it wrong (in fact, you may be the one that is wrong) so just enjoy the art and let other do as they choose. Personally, I don't care for Salvador Dahli's work but I do appreciate the work that he did and I definitely wouldn't be able to do what he has done.
My point is, just because you shoot one way and some one else chooses to do it differently doesn't make you right or them wrong... just different. And All are worth looking at.

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Mar 27, 2018 07:15:31   #
alphonso49uk
 
If you want to see examples of overcooked images....take a look at Ken Rockwells...and hes a pro!

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Mar 27, 2018 07:21:13   #
wteffey Loc: Ocala, FL USA
 
I don't usually produce landscapes so I am no expert, but those that I enter in contests and challenges "natural" usually lose out to way overdone "HDR" type entries. I mean, WAY OVERDONE. I have sometimes surrendered to the way overdone crowd and redone my natural PP to way overdone, even way, way overdone and reentered in followup challenges, and have usually done much better. I now sometimes have two versions, "natural" for myself and "way overdone" for online. I can offer a possible explanation for the trend. Many contest and challenge entries are posted online in very small sizes, perhaps 2"x 3" on the PC screen or even thumbnails, and it takes a lot of "bling" to make landscape photos standout at this size. A casual viewer may not even notice the over processing at that size, and does not bother to review the photo at full size where the over processing would be more obvious.

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Mar 27, 2018 07:25:33   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
I'm in your corner, Bob. I tend to limit my processing to what I could, and still do, in the darkroom. That's burning, dodging, contrast control, etc. I'm not into a lot of the garish appearance of a lot of photographs.
--Bob
Bob Locher wrote:
My major interest in photography is scenics. I love the beauty of the world that is around us. So, I love to look at other people's work as well.

Too many of the pictures I see posted, here and more so on other sites, to my eye have been obviously extensively and excessively worked over in post processing. Colors are too vivid and often unbelievable, edge sharpness is far too exaggerated, contrast has obviously been "adjusted". Often pictures are simply too "cute".

To my eye such pictures are ugly. I guess I'd have to say that if you can tell a picture has been "enhanced" in post-processing then it was probably overdone.

I have nothing against the concept of post-processing and I do it myself, though I am far from a master of it. It can offer wonderful opportunities to improve a photograph, change it to monochrome, remove dust and blemishes, correct color balance, merge photos etc. etc.

But it is and should remain a means to an end, not the end itself.

Is this just me or do others share my view?
My major interest in photography is scenics. I lov... (show quote)

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Mar 27, 2018 07:33:45   #
Pablo8 Loc: Nottingham UK.
 
chippy65 wrote:
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Police and forensic offices assiduously take photographic evidence to be used in court. Have the pictures taken come under suspicion of fakery ?


I was asked to take 'Evidence Photographs' , during my days as a Pro' Photographer. For a few years after Digital cameras had emerged, The main rule, was, "Film cameras only"
Of course, signing on the back of prints, declaring ..."No exaggeration had been carried out" was obligatory. Took a few years for digital images to be accepted. But I never did any Evidence/Legal photographs,with digital cameras. Retirement came along.

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Mar 27, 2018 07:36:27   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
imagemeister wrote:
There are a FEW others that share your view - but (we) are in the overwhelming minority ...and, Photography is, after all, an ART form.

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There are apples and oranges. There are pictures and there is art.

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Mar 27, 2018 07:39:48   #
leinbas Loc: Greenwood,SC
 
I agree with both Bob and Linda. Like Bob, I find many of the images on the web to be over processed, but that is largely a matter of personal taste. To each his/her own.

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Mar 27, 2018 07:45:00   #
Rathyatra Loc: Southport, United Kingdom
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
You are not the first - or the 50th - to voice this "concern" on this forum. Apparently you (and all who wrote the same thing before you) feel there is only one correct way to shoot or edit photos and that is your way. Why can't folks pursue and enjoy this hobby in whatever way they choose?



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