M43—seeing through the hype (Page 2): :sm24:...

tdekany Loc: Oregon

Cdouthitt wrote:

It’s a bruiser. But with the ec14 and ec20 I get a 210 f2.8 and 300 f4.

jcboy3

JBruce wrote:

Bob,
Not an attempt to convince anyone either way, but I see a lot of guys selling off their other gear to buy mirrorless without knowing the negatives, and I'm glad I didn't do that without getting my feet wet first.
John

First, you are comparing an E-M1 with grip to an 80D without. That adds bulk and weight, and does make the size/weight trade less appealing.

I have large hands, so I use RRS bottom plates on all of my cameras. That adds a bit of height; enough so all of my fingers are on the camera.

Second, you are comparing the heaviest PRO lenses. The real size/weight savings is to be found in the non-PRO zooms and especially in the prime lenses.

Finally, a 24-70 lens on crop sensor shifts the equivalent focal length into a great portrait range, but out of landscape range. Unfortunately, the lens selection for crop sensor cameras is limited with Canon and Nikon, because their heritage is 35mm film and their focus is 36mm sensors.

I love shooting with mirrorless cameras, but they are limited especially in autofocus on moving subjects as well as in low light. But carrying a full frame rig for hours can be pretty tiring, so I shoot most events with m43.

tdekany Loc: Oregon

jcboy3 wrote:

First, you are comparing an E-M1 with grip to an 8... (show quote)

Correction, EM5 mark2 not EM1

davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.

JBruce wrote:

Bob,
Not an attempt to convince anyone either way, but I see a lot of guys selling off their other gear to buy mirrorless without knowing the negatives, and I'm glad I didn't do that without getting my feet wet first.
John

Bob you don’t think other people researched before going to mirrorless? Why surely you jest

Delderby Loc: Derby UK

JBruce wrote:

I'm not unhappy with the camera, per se. I use it pretty much as I envisioned. I carry both the Oly w/ the 12-40 as my wide lens camera, and the 80d w/70-200 as the tele component, switching as needed, works perfectly. I'm more concerned about cautioning guys who are selling their gear to go mirrorless before THEY properly research it.

John

M43 12-40 is not really wide angle is it?

Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI

Delderby wrote:

M43 12-40 is not really wide angle is it?

Telephoto compared to my 7-14.

davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.

davyboy wrote:

Bob you don’t think other people researched before going to mirrorless? Why surely you jest

I mean Bruce oops

Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI

I for one, after shooting a 5d3 for a wedding event a few years ago, would never go back to a dslr. I’ll take the em1, 12-40 and primes 25 1.4, 45 1.8, 75 1.8, and 150f2.

Fotomacher Loc: Toronto

I am chiming in with my 5 cents (pennies are obsolete in Canada). My main squeeze is a D810 with 11 lenses, mostly primes, but my wife bought me the last new Olympus E-M1 available in Toronto and I share her lenses with her E-M5mk2. It is great for my more casual image capture, some travel, kids etc. I am not a big fan of the lag time and the function access through menus vs the dedicated buttons on D810, but overall my experience is quite positive.

Glenn Harve

Thanks for posting actual lens setup weights,,,,and you are right, its minimal. Far cheaper to skip a few cheeseburgers and keep those Nikon/Canon lenses, and the huge choices available. One can always buy a small body (D3400/5600 or a rebel) to travel light

Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI

Glenn Harve wrote:

Thanks for posting actual lens setup weights,,,,and you are right, its minimal. Far cheaper to skip a few cheeseburgers and keep those Nikon/Canon lenses, and the huge choices available. One can always buy a small body (D3400/5600 or a rebel) to travel light

Weight is just one factor when deciding to shoot mirrorless. It's not for everyone. For me it is. IBIS works for all lenses, focus peaking for legacy/manual focus lenses, live composite long exposure with non-clipped highlights, a kit that fits in my carryon with all my other work gear (which takes precedence over camera gear), focus stacking, small fast prime lenses...are just a few other reasons. And best of all...I get to eat the cheeseburgers ;-)

Glenn Harve

Ha,,,,,yah, I do love cheeseburgers....

JBruce Loc: Northern MN

Glenn Harve wrote:

Thanks for posting actual lens setup weights,,,,and you are right, its minimal. Far cheaper to skip a few cheeseburgers and keep those Nikon/Canon lenses, and the huge choices available. One can always buy a small body (D3400/5600 or a rebel) to travel light

Thanks for the comment Glenn. You are the first respondent that truly understood my underlying message. My point was that for similar lens lengths, [for the lenses that I presently own]
there is not that much difference in weight between the "lightweight" mirrorless setups and the comparable gear that I [and many other folks] currently have at my disposal.

I will repeat, for those of you who misunderstood the [not so hidden] message, you might do better keeping the slightly heavier gear you presently have, and just lose some of the excess baggage [weight] that you presently carry in your bag, or gut. That being said, GAS will sometimes just overwhelm our better judgement. BURRRP!

PierreD

As others pointed out, the solution is to NOT turn off the camera between shots. This will use up some of your battery time (but who doesn't carry a couple of spares?) and will result in short startup time - certainly much less than 3 sec. and you can find out exactly how long this is in the Oly camera specs. Thousands of people (incl. me) use this camera for fast action shootings - birds, sports, and what not - and don't seem to have any problem whatsoever with startup time. The autofocus (if you choose this vs. manual focus) is also quite fast and accurate, which further decreases the odds of your missing critical shots.

Glenn Harve

Thank You! You are the only source for those comparison weights I have found. So much press on this whole subject, and yet....
I have been kicking this around for quite a while, and weight was the biggest decision point. It aint cheap to switch systems!