PierreD

To carry less weight, consider not using a grip and just carrying a spare battery or two.

As well, it is true (as with any camera) that IQ degrades at higher ISO, but the Oly camera comes with excellent IBIS (plus, with some lens, in-lens IS) which makes it possible to shoot at considerably lower ISO than would be the case using other cameras. Some folks report getting sharp pictures hand-held using 1-2 sec. exposure. This has not been my experience, but in many cases it's gotten pretty close.

JBruce Loc: Northern MN

[quote=jcboy3]First, you are comparing an E-M1 with grip to an 80D without. That adds bulk and weight, and does make the size/weight trade less appealing.

I have large hands, so I use RRS bottom plates on all of my cameras. That adds a bit of height; enough so all of my fingers are on the camera.

Second, you are comparing the heaviest PRO lenses. The real size/weight savings is to be found in the non-PRO zooms and especially in the prime lenses.

Finally, a 24-70 lens on crop sensor shifts the equivalent focal length into a great portrait range, but out of landscape range. Unfortunately, the lens selection for crop sensor cameras is limited with Canon and Nikon, because their heritage is 35mm film and their focus is 36mm sensors.

I love shooting with mirrorless cameras, but they are limited especially in autofocus on moving subjects as well as in low light. But carrying a full frame rig for hours can be pretty tiring, so I shoot most events with m43.[/quote

I misspoke when I used the generic term "grip", actually I got a Fotodiox metal hand grip, no batteries included. It does weight, but makes holding much easier.

I am aware of other lighter lenses, but am comparing the lenses that I have and use, not something else. I do not want to buy different lenses just to save weight and lose quality. And please note that I am comparing Pro lenses in both cases.

I used my 24-70L lens so as to give as nearly exact lens length, and as I stated, I do mostly landscape and that lens does a great job on my crop sensor 80d, use it a lot along with the 70-200L. And by the way, any lens can be a landscape lens, you are not required to go wide. It just depends upon your choice and perspective.

John

JBruce Loc: Northern MN

Rook,
The lag time I mention is the time between pushing the shutter button and having the electronic viewfinder light up and be ready to use, and does not even include the initial startup time when turning the switch on. I know I can leave the viewfinder 'always on', but then consider the added weight for all the batteries the electronics will use in an all-day shoot.

John

tdekany Loc: Oregon

I didn’t want to say anything, but here it is. If you want to compare apples to apples, use 2.8 zooms vs 2.8 zooms. Let’s see the weight difference now please?

There is no slightly heavier setup if you want to match your Olympus setup. And if you did your home work, you could have gotten the Panasonic version of the 12-35mm2.8 and 35-100mm 2.8 duo which are much lighter than the Olympus version.

Not to mention, that your canon setup can’t take a shot at 24mm.

And lastly, if you want to save weight, you have a lot of other zoom option in m4/3 besides the top of the line pro zooms that will really save you extra weight if that is your goal.

So I’m going to suggest, that anyone reading your initial post, disregard your “warning” and instead do their own research. Because you didn’t do a very good job.

davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.

Love it great response!!😁

JBruce Loc: Northern MN

Glenn, you're welcome. Those are actual weights as weighed on a fairly accurate scale. The info is out there, but I did not research it well enough to know those sets of facts. That being said, I am happy with MY choice, but will probably not add to the mirrorless gear that I currently have. And it is a great choice for those who are just beginning their journey down the photography road. There are many advantages to be found in mirrorless, not the least of which is IBIS, and the ability to see pretty exactly what you image will be on the sensor as you look through the viewfinder. I find the biggest single advantage is the onscreen, live histogram and ease of adjusting the compensation level to the brightness you want.

I like carrying two cameras, each with it's own high quality lens, one wide and the other long. It suits my style and the Oly works as well as I had imagined for the wide camera, but does not add as much weight as a separate DSLR with a 24-70 f2.8. I find the lag time is acceptable for landscape usage.

As a closing and final note, I find it interesting to read on this forum, how the current users of any particular set of brands and gear seem to be overly defensive of their individual choices. As for myself, I use and enjoy whatever horse is handy, and lives in my stable. To each his own, but I'm willing to share whatever info I have that will help to make someone else life a bit easier or better.

Gd Bless, John

NBBPH Loc: Indiana

I know several photographers who have switched to M43 and sold all of their DSLR gear and have no regrets. Their claim is less weight, less bulk (they seem to be able to get everything in a fairly small bag), and satisfactory results. I am hanging on to my Canon DSLR gear, although it can get heavy while carrying it for a long period of time, because I am so familiar with it and don't want the hassle of learning a new system. Or maybe I am just too lazy to learn a new system.

tdekany Loc: Oregon

I’m not sure where you are seeing defensive replies, but unfortunately your “info” isn’t going to help anyone. Miss information is never helpful.

Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI

for me...it's not necessarily his actual post that bothers me...it's more the subject, "–seeing through the hype". The same thing can be said about any system, not just m4/3.

For me APS-c and even FF (to some extent) isn't all that it's cracked up to be...especially when I see someone here that buys a FF camera, when they clearly have no idea what they are doing.

Glenn Harve

Honestly, I just consider it more information, not mis-information. Most of us can evaluate the mix of details and the variables, but also must reconcile the cost vs advantage considerations. If one is invested over 8 grand in one system, the more information the better if one is considering a switch. Most of us have made many such decisions along the way. By all means, add to the information as you see it. But recognize that there is rarely just one correct evaluation. Hence, each brand has its own way of designing, and each has its buyers. In the end, does it get us more enjoyment (and better pics)?

Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI

To properly answer your question:
1610 grams a little over 3 1/2 lbs.

tdekany Loc: Oregon

If oneone is going to take the original post seriously, we might as well agree with the guy who claims that a Ferrari is not faster than a Subaru because the Ferrari can’t go as fast off road as the Subaru. 😂

And if you put the lightest prime lens you can find for a D850 but put the heaviest lens there is on an EM1, you can say that FF is actually lighter than m4/3.

How is that going to help anyone? The original post makes no sense trying to debunk the “hype” I think the OP is confused.

Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI

True dat...
As an owner of 3 Subi's...I'd gladly take another Subi than a Ferrari...especially given where I live, the amount of snow we get, and the conditions of our roads.

tdekany Loc: Oregon

It is most definitely miss information. Why compare f2.8 zooms with f4 zooms?

Compare 2.8 with 2.8 and let’s see the weight differences.

kymarto Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy

Having gone from high end DSLR (Nikon D800E) to high end mirrorless (Sony A7RII) I think I have some experience from which to speak. In a nutshell, while I was quite skeptical about mirrorless, I would not go back to DSLR. But that is not to say that mirrorless is perfect. First, in defense of the DSLR, I have to say that I love a good optical viewfinder, and the fact that the power drain is so minimal. Yes, it is definitely quicker at startup than mirrorless, and that can be a big problem in some situations with mirrorless. And yes, the lack of any viewfinder lag is great. Even with the quick refresh of the Sony A7RII evf, I do miss shots with critical timing, such that I have to anticipate (water drops, for instance).

On the other hand, using my manual vintage lenses, the critical focus option of mirrorless is absolutely great. I also have zebras set to 100%, so I have full control of my exposure, and can quickly compensate if my highlights are going to be blown. It is also nice in dark situations, as I see pretty much exactly what I am going to get.

Both systems have advantages and disadvantages, and yes, it is necessary to know them and decide which is more suited to what you shoot.