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Jan 11, 2018 08:12:10   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
MikeMc wrote:
I'm getting back into hobby photography and shopping for a new camera. I mostly shoot landscape, sunsets, moonshots, family pictures, etc. No sports or fast moving subjects. I don't need high frames/sec. But I do want the highest image quality I can get in my price range. I'm considering a Nikon D750, Cannon EOS D6, Sony mirrorless (their model #'s totally confuse me but either a 7Rll or one of their other full frame models) I bought a Sony RX100V but returned it because the pictures I took were not any better than my I phone for those particular landscape pictures, plus it just seemed to tiny.
I appreciate any inputs about which ones I should consider and DSLR vs Mirrorless. Thanks
I'm getting back into hobby photography and shoppi... (show quote)

Have you considered investing in the fastest focusing camera out there the all new Panasonic G9?

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Jan 11, 2018 08:15:37   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
wdross wrote:
I agree with tdekany. Of the full frames and APS-Cs, I would look at Sony. Three other cameras that many like are Fuji X-T2, Olympus E-M1 mrII, and Panasonic GH5. These are all mirrorless. These tend to be smaller, lighter, and less costly without giving up much in image quality compared to the cameras you have mention. Since you are just getting into to photography again, you might as well look at the full gamut of cameras and their formats. You should spend a little time at the nearest camera store familiarizing yourself as to a what is available.
I agree with tdekany. Of the full frames and APS-C... (show quote)

And Panasonic is just introducing the fastest focusing camera in the world the new flag ship G9

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Jan 11, 2018 08:18:58   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
JPL wrote:
Of those cameras you mention here the Sony A7rII is by far the best choice. I have a full frame Nikon D600 and Sony A7r and some other cameras as well. In the full frame category the Sony is a much better choice for landscape photography than the Nikon. The A7rII has more resolution and in camera stabilizing which makes it even better than my camera. The Nikon D750 and Canon 6D have far less resolution and no in camera stabilizing and are generally a class behind the Sony for landscape photography.

As a user of both dslr and mirrorless cameras I find the mirrorless better for my needs. The only situation where dslr is still as good as mirrorless cameras or maybe better is for shooting sports and fast moving objects, which is not what you are shooting. Some new mirrorless cameras like the Sony A9 and Sony A7rIII have made the gap between dslr and mirrorless for shooting fast moving subjects almost invisible. One more generation of cameras and dslr will be obsolete, so to say.
Of those cameras you mention here the Sony A7rII i... (show quote)

That’s what makes the new Panasonic G9 so appealing 5 1/2- 6 stops of stabilizing

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Jan 11, 2018 08:22:08   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
repleo wrote:
The A7Rii is a great choice for what you want to shoot. I mostly shoot the same stuff as you. Mirrorless is great for sunsets, night shots etc. The A7Rii is available new for about $2200 at the moment or $1100 used on eBay. The extra refinements on the latest A7Riii won't be of much benefit to you. I think you would find the new Sony 24-105mm F4 G OSS a great lens for what you want to shoot and may be the only lens you will need.

I don’t really see a huge difference

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Jan 11, 2018 08:50:54   #
Jimmy T Loc: Virginia
 
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MikeMc wrote:
I'm getting back into hobby photography and shopping for a new camera. I mostly shoot landscape, sunsets, moonshots, family pictures, etc. No sports or fast moving subjects. I don't need high frames/sec. But I do want the highest image quality I can get in my price range. I'm considering a Nikon D750, Cannon EOS D6, Sony mirrorless (their model #'s totally confuse me but either a 7Rll or one of their other full frame models) I bought a Sony RX100V but returned it because the pictures I took were not any better than my I phone for those particular landscape pictures, plus it just seemed to tiny.
I appreciate any inputs about which ones I should consider and DSLR vs Mirrorless. Thanks
I'm getting back into hobby photography and shoppi... (show quote)

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Jan 11, 2018 09:13:16   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Leicaflex wrote:
Olympus OMD EM 1 Mark II a very impressive specification and superb optics.


As is the just released Panasonic Lumix G9, its head-to-head competitor, and the GH5, it's more video-centric brother.

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Jan 11, 2018 09:14:33   #
jimisready Loc: Sacramento/Carson City
 
I went to mirrorless and really like the seeing the results before hand so adjusting exposure saves time and
I have less editing to do. About image quality I went with micro 4/3 because quality in sensors will continue
To get better and they are great now. So lens selection being great with OLYPAN and the Oly pro line is very sharp. Cheap no but quality yes and manual focus is the best. So ending up with light weight easy carry system that I only need one camera system. I am now retired and no longer wish to carry 10# of gear on a
Mountain hike or a street walk shooting. More Mega Pixel for tight cropping is a plus. My personal Why?

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Jan 11, 2018 09:25:36   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
MikeMc wrote:
Thanks for all the very helpful comments! I checked out these three cameras, and based on your inputs i think I'm leaning towards a Sony Mirrorless. Now to zero in on that, seems like either an a7Rll or a a7ll. For my use as described above, will the larger MP make much difference (43 vs 24mp)? I don't mind paying for better performance but don't want to throw money away either. which one if these do you think would be best?


No equipment will make as much difference in your photography as reading the manuals, reading some good books on photography, testing all the controls and limits, and practicing your craft/hobby/profession.

Any of the cameras mentioned here is capable of making great images. Are some capable of recording a little better absolute image quality than others? Yes. Does it matter? Only if you have a real need for it. Most people do not have that need. Nor do they have the ability, knowledge, training, experience, and SYSTEM components to take advantage of it.

I would go for ease of use, portability, room in the budget for post-processing gear (computer, software, printer, monitor, calibrator), and an overall BALANCE of capabilities.

Photography is, and always has been, reliant on a SYSTEM of various components. The system is only as good as its weakest component:

If you're not going to calibrate and profile your monitor, it doesn't matter what monitor you use. Buy a monitor calibration kit.

If you're not going to understand when to record raw images, and post-process them, it does not matter what computer and software you have.

If you're not going to understand when to record JPEGs, using ALL the camera controls in a manner that the files don't have to be post-processed AT ALL, then it doesn't matter how well your camera processes JPEGs.

I could go on, but I think you get the point.

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Jan 11, 2018 10:42:44   #
chapjohn Loc: Tigard, Oregon
 
You might also look at the Sony A99ii. I love my A7Rii and it would be a good choice.

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Jan 11, 2018 10:47:13   #
Lens Creep
 
OP, i was unclear of your actual price range (you listed Canon 6D(ii?) and Nikon D750 which are in the $1500 range, correct? The Sony A7II is nearly twice that price, but you could be looking at a less capable Sony model.
Don't forget to look at the Pentax K-1 in that range which contends against the D850 well for much less and way better than the Canon.
Good luck!

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Jan 11, 2018 11:31:05   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
If you have a camera store in your area maybe you could rent those on your final list for try out. What suits your style can not be decided by we outsiders. Good luck.

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Jan 11, 2018 11:48:34   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
MikeMc wrote:
I'm getting back into hobby photography and shopping for a new camera. I mostly shoot landscape, sunsets, moonshots, family pictures, etc. No sports or fast moving subjects. I don't need high frames/sec. But I do want the highest image quality I can get in my price range. I'm considering a Nikon D750, Cannon EOS D6, Sony mirrorless (their model #'s totally confuse me but either a 7Rll or one of their other full frame models) I bought a Sony RX100V but returned it because the pictures I took were not any better than my I phone for those particular landscape pictures, plus it just seemed to tiny.
I appreciate any inputs about which ones I should consider and DSLR vs Mirrorless. Thanks
I'm getting back into hobby photography and shoppi... (show quote)



Looking at three distinct systems, you REALLY need to look beyond the camera itself at the lenses and accessories available for each.

Nikon and Canon each offer a lot more lenses for their DLSRs than Sony has for their mirrorless. I'd recommend you put together a list of lenses you'd like to have in your kit now and in the future, then compare the three because even when all they all offer a particular item you want, you may find some significant difference in price between them. Of course, you also should research the quality of any lens and camera you're considering. Look for online reviews and user feedback for specific items. Also take into consideration what third party manufacturers are offering for each system.

Finally, you might find it helpful to go to a store and actually handle each of the cameras you're considering, to see if one of them simply "feels better" or seems more logically laid out. If at all possible, also start the camera up and explore the menus to see if they seem intuitive or confusing. Sure, you can probably learn to use any of the cameras well... but you might find you prefer one that seems easier or more fun to use or just seems to fit your hands better.

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Jan 11, 2018 11:55:32   #
tennis2618
 
I have both a Nikon D800 and a Sony A7Rii (which I received as a gift). I was disappointed to find that the Sony will give mme its best if I use my best Nikon lenses with the adaptor so the mirrorless option isn't really a smaller lighter choice. That is changing as many very nice lenses are being introduced regularly that are designed to be more compact. However I have not changed and find myself using Nikon DSLR 90% and Sony mirrorless 8% ( the balance is my iPhone when I don't have a camera but do see a shot). I love the Nikons and am considering the 850, but realize that the mirrorless will eventually be the camera of choice. It is a very personal decision and the best piece of advise I have seen so far is to rent one of each and try them simultaneously. Don't worry because there isn't a bad choice. I know pros who have switched to mirrorless completely and pros who wouldn't think about changing.

If you decide to go mirrorless look at Fuji and Sony as they take different approaches. Sony is more like a computer with many adjustments in the program files whereas Fuji has more controls on the camera and feels more like a traditional SLR in the field. Again, a personal choice between two very good options.

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Jan 11, 2018 12:06:25   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
The best way to decide is to handle each type. Doing so in a store is, of course, the recommended way. Even better, I would suggest renting to make sure you will be happy with the choice.

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Jan 11, 2018 12:29:22   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
burkphoto wrote:
No equipment will make as much difference in your photography as reading the manuals, reading some good books on photography, testing all the controls and limits, and practicing your craft/hobby/profession.

Any of the cameras mentioned here is capable of making great images. Are some capable of recording a little better absolute image quality than others? Yes. Does it matter? Only if you have a real need for it. Most people do not have that need. Nor do they have the ability, knowledge, training, experience, and SYSTEM components to take advantage of it.

I would go for ease of use, portability, room in the budget for post-processing gear (computer, software, printer, monitor, calibrator), and an overall BALANCE of capabilities.

Photography is, and always has been, reliant on a SYSTEM of various components. The system is only as good as its weakest component:

If you're not going to calibrate and profile your monitor, it doesn't matter what monitor you use. Buy a monitor calibration kit.

If you're not going to understand when to record raw images, and post-process them, it does not matter what computer and software you have.

If you're not going to understand when to record JPEGs, using ALL the camera controls in a manner that the files don't have to be post-processed AT ALL, then it doesn't matter how well your camera processes JPEGs.

I could go on, but I think you get the point.
No equipment will make as much difference in your ... (show quote)
Dang you’re good🙃

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