StevenG Loc: Long Island, NY

Thanks Bill.

bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA

Where would we be without Laura, Tim and Victoria Brampton! There is a group of these people that get the software far ahead of the rest of us so they can develop their training systems.

You are right. But, for now I'm confused about keeping image files in both places. I think I saw that if you choose to keep them in both places there is some need for extra disk space. On the Adobe forum a person tried to put his existing inventory of image files into the new LR CC and keep "Classic" operating. He/she ended up with a huge new folder that was full of duplicates.

I'm also confused about what the "new" CC puts in the cloud. I think there are some choices where you can have only "previews" in the cloud and the primary files remain on your disk drives.

I think it was in one of Laura's articles where she strongly suggested that we use one or the other, not both at once.

I'm trying to get smarter. Jan Kabili has a class on Linda.com (through my local library) about the "new" Lightroom CC. I'm part way through.

Also Tim Grey is doing a (free) webinar at greylearning.com on Nov 1 at 9 am west coast time.

Tangoking Loc: Pa.

Hi Steve, I have the same problem .I liked adobe when you bought the DVD and there was not a monthly charge. I too can see the future
Of this.
Tangoking

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

Adobe's Own Julieanne Kost, master trainer extraordinaire, has more at http://www.jkost.com and most of it is free!

glyphtrix

But that's the whole marketing- point of the -adobe-get -rich-scheme isn't it? Why sell a few, one time , hundred dollar program licenses when you can sell 10 million people ten bucks a month access fee ...
100 million bucks a month.
After all its only 10 bucks. How much is that worth?
$120 per year
times 20 years ...
times TEN MILLION PEOPLE!!
-YOU DO THE MATH.
ITS OVER A GAZILLION DOLLARS OF SHEER PROFITEERING!!!

There's shareware that gets the job done FREE There's pay ware under 200 bucks.

I'll keep the PETTY few thousand dollars for myself
OR my retirement
or for more gear..
and not Adobe 's investors to use.

But if it's only ten bucks your talking about..
Perhaps you wouldn't mind giving ME ten bucks..-after all its only ten bucks.. hardly anything at all really.

Reinaldokool Loc: San Rafael, CA

It wasn't the money. It was that Affinity Photo is better than PS for many functions and about as good for the rest. Unfortunately the one thing lacking is a cataloging system. I never used LR, but I use Bridge constantly as it lets me categorize at many levels. Fortunately Bridge continues to work even after I stopped the subscription. I'm hoping that Affinity/Serif will create something similar. (And yes, I've tried LightZone, Freestone and several others.)

Affinity forces you to think layers in a way that PS doesn't and it's inpainting tools are better than PS healing tools.

Ednsb Loc: Santa Barbara

The critical statement there is you use PS every day. If I did it would be a no brainer to pay $10/Month for PS and Lightroom. But many of us don’t and I've been looking at replacements for quite a while. Paying $120/year for Lightroom is absurd.

I own Lightroom 6, On1 Raw, Luminar, an older version of PS Elements, Photos, Aperture etc. Right now the biggest issues about changing is stability and cost. On1 Raw 2017 has had a lot of hiccups. They are in Beta for Raw 2018 but for most it will cost them (you can discuss this with them and they may give you 2018 because of all of the problems with 2017). Luminar has been more stable but doesn’t have a DAM yet. They are in the process of going to their next version and again price is an issue. What's worst to me is the campaign they are doing around the LR news. They are saying buy Luminar for ever.. I'm a software guy. I own all my perpetual licenses forever but nothing says they wont be sun-setted (no longer supported or enhanced). They make it sound like that isn't the case but it is and I feel its pretty unethical.

So to answer your question - I feel I'm between a hard spot and a rock. I had to do this once already for over 500k images when Apple sun-setted Aperture. Now I'm having to look at it for Lightroom. And the real cost isn't the software cost, its my time. It takes forever to learn new apps.

I follow Matt K very closely. He's moved from Lightroom with plugins like on1 and Nik then to On1 then back to Lightroom with plugins. He is a PS user as well so the subscription pricing is fine for him. But not for me.

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

Affinity is great stuff. If paired with Apple Photos, Photos becomes the image database and Affinity becomes the pixel editor, in a (sort of) similar fashion as LR and PS. It almost makes up for the annoyance of Photos, or so I'm told by a couple of folks who use them together.

spencerp

I have always been a Corel Paintshop Pro user (formerly Jasc) and now Aftershot for Raw file editing. I find that they provide all the capability I need at a VERY reasonable price. YMMV.

chapjohn Loc: Tigard, Oregon

I never used LR or PS. Ihave PSE 14, but hardly ever us it. I decide to go with Capture One and Zoner Photo Studio.

Just Fred Loc: Darwin's Waiting Room

A subscription to the New York Times runs $9.99/month. What good is a day-old newspaper except bird cage liner? Yet people willingly pay to have the New York Times delivered to them every morning.

Some don't.

The beauty of the system is that no one is forced to subscribe to the Times. Just like no one is forced to subscribe to Adobe CC. All of my photos are kept on external hard drives. If I worry about what Adobe is going to do with them, I have a number of options, as listed above.

I don't worry. And I don't begrudge companies from making a profit. Profit is what keeps my company in business and keeps a roof over my head and food in my mouth.

Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI

Not worried. I use adobe cc pretty much every day...mostly illustrator, indesign, photoshop and LR. Not changing my workflow.

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

It is never just about one thing.

It is about the strength of the total ecosystem surrounding a company and its products. It is about the availability of support and training. It is about the efficiency gained by knowledge snowballing over time. It is about the demand for people with particular skills. It is about compatibility and interoperability with other products from the same and other companies.

The market often rewards deep genius with massive sales. If it didn’t, no one would have an incentive to apply deep genius to solving problems that didn’t involve Maslow’s Heirarchy of Needs.

Ten bucks a month? How much do you pay for:

Cable or satellite TV?
Mobile phone service?
Any (obsolete!) magazines and newspapers?
A gym membership you don’t use efficiently?
Alcoholic beverages?
Tobacco?
Coffee shop coffee?
Vending machine malnourishment?
Junk food urges?
Gambling or (ahem!) other vices?
Movie tickets or rentals?
Concerts and sporting events?
Excess fuel for that monster SUV or pickup you drive just for the image of it?

Ten friggin’ bucks? Really? C’mon, people. Perspective!

markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ

Cable or satellite TV?
Mobile phone service?
Any (obsolete!) magazines and newspapers?
A gym membership you don’t use efficiently?
Alcoholic beverages?
Tobacco?
Coffee shop coffee?
Vending machine malnourishment?
Junk food urges?
Gambling or (ahem!) other vices?
Movie tickets or rentals?
Concerts and sporting events?
Excess fuel for that monster SUV or pickup you drive just for the image of it?

Absolutely - read my mind
Mark

jamesl Loc: Pennsylvania

"ON1 Photo RAW 2018" does catalog your pictures and maintains a database. It also now has versions that work like virtual copies in Lightroom and offer built in HDR and Panorama modules to handle those within the program too.