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Oct 26, 2017 10:09:33   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
StevenG wrote:
Thanks Donald. If one then chooses to use a new cataloging program, how would the photos in Lr be transferred to the new program?
Steve


Your originals stay 100% intact, where you loaded them on disk. Lightroom is just a big image database that stores all the information about what to do with your images when you export, print, view, or post a finished copy to a web gallery.

You can export your changes into new, edited files, and keep them. Lightroom can go away, and you still have both your un-altered originals AND your finished work.

You can also use another app to finish the same original differently, if you like. The only thing you can’t do without Lightroom is re-edit the catalog entries.

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Oct 26, 2017 10:11:50   #
StevenG Loc: Long Island, NY
 
lsimpkins wrote:
That's the way I'm viewing On1 2017 also. So far I use it as an occasional plugin to LR and have it as a hedge against future Adobe unreasonable price increases. I'm not convinced yet to purchase the On1 2018 version and am following comments on it to help make that decision.


That’s the way I use ON1 also. However, the 2018 update seems to have some interesting features.
Steve

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Oct 26, 2017 10:12:20   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
StevenG wrote:
Thanks Donald. If one then chooses to use a new cataloging program, how would the photos in Lr be transferred to the new program?
Steve


FYI https://www.dpreview.com/articles/3538565258/adobe-lightroom-allows-users-continued-access-after-license-expires

As for transferring photos - Lightroom does not store your photos in the catalog, the Lightroom catalog is simply a database that contains metadata about your photos, where they are located on your disk and what edits you have done to them.

If you are worried about losing your edits stored in the catalog you can activate the write XMP data automatically and as edits occur Lightroom will automatically write the edits to the image files, in the event of raw files it will create "sidecar files" that contain the metadata edits, as well as a copy of them in the catalog. You can also write the XMP data on demand at any time from the menus or thru keyboard shortcuts.

Access to your images thru the catalog is never blocked after a subscription ending, instead, the Develop module ceases to be an option for you, preventing new edits, so you can still use Lightroom to export your images with existing edits.

Your images remain on your disk in whatever folder structure you set them up in, so the images are always available to pretty much any editing software.

If you make use of raw with sidecar files, deleting the sidecar file will reset the image file back to the original raw.

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Oct 26, 2017 10:15:18   #
markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ
 
Bill,
Well done and with clarity!! Thanks for the post.
Mark
bsprague wrote:
Reading this thread finds false information.

Lightroom 6, the stand alone version, will run fine for a long time. The only thing that stops at the end of the year is the routine ACR updates. That means if you buy a 2018 newly released Nikon and shoot RAW, you will have to do a simple workaround for you files, upgrade to a newer Adobe product (even Photoshop Elements) or switch to another brand. Everything else in Lightroom will function just like it has been.

Adobe did some confusing renaming. The Lightroom 2015 CC that is part of the subscription at $10 a month has a new name, "Lightroom Classic". It continues as the "flagship" and was released with a couple new cool tools and increased speed. If you have been on the $10 plan, the change over is a no brainer.

As always, the flagship Lightroom Classic is installed on your computer and all your image files are in folders on your local drives. If you quit your subscription, the only thing that stops is the Develop module. You still have all your photos and all your work. You can even "Export" your previously "developed" RAW images to JPEGs, TIFFs, or whatever. Your files and the software are on your computer under your control and management.

Brand new is the "new" Lightroom CC. It is an enhancement of the mobile process that has been growing within the $10 per month plan. It is added to and included with the $10 plan. It is an option, not a requirement. It provides for NOT keeping your image files on your computer and instead, on Adobe's servers or "cloud". The advantage is that you can work with your photos anywhere there is an internet connection and you have any device like phone, tablet or computer. It is in version 1 and will grow new features. It may or may not ever get all the features that are in Lightroom Classic. I suspect it will grow features based on what "mobile" customers ask for.
Reading this thread finds false information. br ... (show quote)

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Oct 26, 2017 10:18:09   #
lsimpkins Loc: SE Pennsylvania
 
bsprague wrote:
... If you quit your subscription, the only thing that stops is the Develop module. You still have all your photos and all your work.
Actually the Map Module and Mobile Sync will no longer work either.

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Brand new is the "new" Lightroom CC. It is an enhancement of the mobile process that has been growing within the $10 per month plan. It is added to and included with the $10 plan. It is an option, not a requirement. It provides for NOT keeping your image files on your computer and instead, on Adobe's servers or "cloud".

Bill, I believe that in the new LR CC you have the option of keeping images on your device in addition to them being stored in the cloud, effectively mirroring them. I seem to recall that from one of the webinars from Laura Shoe or Tim Gray.

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Oct 26, 2017 10:27:51   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
bsprague wrote:
Reading this thread finds false information.

Lightroom 6, the stand alone version, will run fine for a long time. The only thing that stops at the end of the year is the routine ACR updates. That means if you buy a 2018 newly released Nikon and shoot RAW, you will have to do a simple workaround for you files, upgrade to a newer Adobe product (even Photoshop Elements) or switch to another brand. Everything else in Lightroom will function just like it has been.

Adobe did some confusing renaming. The Lightroom 2015 CC that is part of the subscription at $10 a month has a new name, "Lightroom Classic". It continues as the "flagship" and was released with a couple new cool tools and increased speed. If you have been on the $10 plan, the change over is a no brainer.

As always, the flagship Lightroom Classic is installed on your computer and all your image files are in folders on your local drives. If you quit your subscription, the only thing that stops is the Develop module. You still have all your photos and all your work. You can even "Export" your previously "developed" RAW images to JPEGs, TIFFs, or whatever. Your files and the software are on your computer under your control and management.

Brand new is the "new" Lightroom CC. It is an enhancement of the mobile process that has been growing within the $10 per month plan. It is added to and included with the $10 plan. It is an option, not a requirement. It provides for NOT keeping your image files on your computer and instead, on Adobe's servers or "cloud". The advantage is that you can work with your photos anywhere there is an internet connection and you have any device like phone, tablet or computer. It is in version 1 and will grow new features. It may or may not ever get all the features that are in Lightroom Classic. I suspect it will grow features based on what "mobile" customers ask for.
Reading this thread finds false information. br ... (show quote)


Great summary. The only caution I have about LR Classic CC is this: If, like me, you are still using Mac OS 10.10.5 to maintain backward compatibility with OTHER, older, “orphaned” software, you will have to upgrade the OS (free download) and REPLACE or ABANDON your older software. OR you will need to create a new startup drive, cloned from your old one, and upgrade that. That will give you a new primary drive and an older one to start from when you need the old software.

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Oct 26, 2017 10:33:36   #
Just Fred Loc: Darwin's Waiting Room
 
burkphoto wrote:
Software and computer hardware are continuously evolving, so why not keep up with the changes quarterly? That’s a lot easier than trying to catch up after skipping two or three versions, which I used to do before CC.


That’s my philosophy, too. Like it or not, things change and we either accept them or try to swim against the tide.

Combined with the latest iOS update (11.0) I am now able to edit a photo I took on another device and publish on my iPad. This is a mostly nonsense, unplanned shot that took, edited in Lightroom CC on my iPad and attached here,

Easy. But almost impossible just a few months ago,


(Download)

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Oct 26, 2017 10:35:55   #
DavidPine Loc: Fredericksburg, TX
 
I will continue to use Lightroom Classic and PhotoshopCC because they are the best. However, I do use On1 Effects frequently and I'll probably integrate it more into my post process routine as time goes on. The combination of all three work quite well together. While I have the new LRCC, I will take my time looking at it but I don't see a lot of application in my workflow.

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Oct 26, 2017 10:41:19   #
Bluejay Loc: Toronto, Ontario
 
Had a very long chat session with Adobe yesterday. On their sales website, they are selling for standalone users of LR5 to LR6. For. $79.99. Such a deal !

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Oct 26, 2017 10:53:36   #
Vanderpix Loc: New Jersey
 
First of all thank you OP and all for a very civil and informative discussion. Too often by page 5 these boards usually have degraded into anarchy. Much applause to the OP! That said I am on the fence about whether or not switch. I have LR6 and have been using LR for nine years since LR2. As an amateur I have no need for full blown Photoshop but have upgraded Elements when I needed to. I have downloaded Capture One, ON1 Raw 2018, and Corel Pro and all have good points and bad points. At 66, I will soon be on a fixed income so I do not really need anymore monthly bills. On the other hand I am quite adept on Lightroom and have substantial investment in that learning. I think for now I will just wait and see what enfolds. I have downloaded Adobe's DNG converter in case I am able to purchase a new camera. I will probably stick with LR6 until something significant changes.

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Oct 26, 2017 11:30:27   #
bsprague Loc: Lacey, WA, USA
 
lsimpkins wrote:
Actually the Map Module and Mobile Sync will no longer work either.

Yes, thanks for correcting me.

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Oct 26, 2017 11:30:36   #
StevenG Loc: Long Island, NY
 
Dngallagher wrote:
FYI https://www.dpreview.com/articles/3538565258/adobe-lightroom-allows-users-continued-access-after-license-expires

As for transferring photos - Lightroom does not store your photos in the catalog, the Lightroom catalog is simply a database that contains metadata about your photos, where they are located on your disk and what edits you have done to them.

If you are worried about losing your edits stored in the catalog you can activate the write XMP data automatically and as edits occur Lightroom will automatically write the edits to the image files, in the event of raw files it will create "sidecar files" that contain the metadata edits, as well as a copy of them in the catalog. You can also write the XMP data on demand at any time from the menus or thru keyboard shortcuts.

Access to your images thru the catalog is never blocked after a subscription ending, instead, the Develop module ceases to be an option for you, preventing new edits, so you can still use Lightroom to export your images with existing edits.

Your images remain on your disk in whatever folder structure you set them up in, so the images are always available to pretty much any editing software.

If you make use of raw with sidecar files, deleting the sidecar file will reset the image file back to the original raw.
FYI https://www.dpreview.com/articles/3538565258/... (show quote)


Thank you. That clarifies things quite a bit.
Steve

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Oct 26, 2017 11:34:00   #
StevenG Loc: Long Island, NY
 
DavidPine wrote:
I will continue to use Lightroom Classic and PhotoshopCC because they are the best. However, I do use On1 Effects frequently and I'll probably integrate it more into my post process routine as time goes on. The combination of all three work quite well together. While I have the new LRCC, I will take my time looking at it but I don't see a lot of application in my workflow.


Thanks for your thoughts!
Steve

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Oct 26, 2017 11:35:40   #
StevenG Loc: Long Island, NY
 
Bluejay wrote:
Had a very long chat session with Adobe yesterday. On their sales website, they are selling for standalone users of LR5 to LR6. For. $79.99. Such a deal !


What is the advantage of upgrading to Lr 6?
Steve

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Oct 26, 2017 11:37:30   #
StevenG Loc: Long Island, NY
 
Vanderpix wrote:
First of all thank you OP and all for a very civil and informative discussion. Too often by page 5 these boards usually have degraded into anarchy. Much applause to the OP! That said I am on the fence about whether or not switch. I have LR6 and have been using LR for nine years since LR2. As an amateur I have no need for full blown Photoshop but have upgraded Elements when I needed to. I have downloaded Capture One, ON1 Raw 2018, and Corel Pro and all have good points and bad points. At 66, I will soon be on a fixed income so I do not really need anymore monthly bills. On the other hand I am quite adept on Lightroom and have substantial investment in that learning. I think for now I will just wait and see what enfolds. I have downloaded Adobe's DNG converter in case I am able to purchase a new camera. I will probably stick with LR6 until something significant changes.
First of all thank you OP and all for a very civil... (show quote)


Thanks for your thoughtful comments!
Steve

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