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Jul 22, 2017 14:11:34   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
copladocus wrote:
I do principle photography for an auction company where all auctions are conducted on line. As such the photos are very important and we take a lot of them depending on the value of the item or group of items. I do a lot of table top work where we lay out a "lot" of items. We work mainly with on camera flash but do occasionally use large softboxes. In addition we take photos of furniture, automobiles and even houses that are up for auction. Since these are going on line we dfo not need a lot of megapixels and in fact most of our photos are 500KB or less as uploading large photo files is prohibitively slow and really doesn't add to the viewer experience.

I am currently using a Canon 10D with an EF 24-85 zoom and Speedlight 430EXII flash and getting good results but feel I am fighting the camera a lot and chimping is problematic with the small LCD panel and my tired old eyes.

I am thinking about getting the new Canon 6D MkII and the 24-105 f/4L IS II USM series lens that will be shipped as a kit. I thought about just getting the lens and tried it out at a local camera store but that does not solve the problem I have reviewing the shots in the camera. And it is a fantastic lens IMHO.

Please tell me I am nuts and need to save my money.
I do principle photography for an auction company ... (show quote)


I do not see where you need full frame body ! ( crazy/gas attack) But you could use an up-to-date-body ( T6i/80D) and the 24-105 may be a justifiable upgrade also ?

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Jul 22, 2017 14:33:07   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
Let me add another thought I haven't seen expressed. All modern models, APS-C or FF, have the ability to magnify a live view to aid focusing. I don't know if the older 10D has that feature.

BTW - I like the idea of a 7" LCD that fits the hot shoe, as well as tethered PC or tablet for viewing stationary objects for focusing. That, along with magnified live view should be awesome!

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Jul 22, 2017 15:24:25   #
Leitz Loc: Solms
 
copladocus wrote:
I do principle photography for an auction company where all auctions are conducted on line. As such the photos are very important and we take a lot of them depending on the value of the item or group of items. I do a lot of table top work where we lay out a "lot" of items. We work mainly with on camera flash but do occasionally use large softboxes. In addition we take photos of furniture, automobiles and even houses that are up for auction. Since these are going on line we dfo not need a lot of megapixels and in fact most of our photos are 500KB or less as uploading large photo files is prohibitively slow and really doesn't add to the viewer experience.

I am currently using a Canon 10D with an EF 24-85 zoom and Speedlight 430EXII flash and getting good results but feel I am fighting the camera a lot and chimping is problematic with the small LCD panel and my tired old eyes.

I am thinking about getting the new Canon 6D MkII and the 24-105 f/4L IS II USM series lens that will be shipped as a kit. I thought about just getting the lens and tried it out at a local camera store but that does not solve the problem I have reviewing the shots in the camera. And it is a fantastic lens IMHO.

Please tell me I am nuts and need to save my money.
I do principle photography for an auction company ... (show quote)

After you've used the 10D for an hour or so, you'll learn how to nail your exposures without having to chimp.

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Jul 22, 2017 15:57:14   #
fotoman150
 
Chimping shouldn't be a problem if you have the lights set and meter them. There is not much reason to look on the back of the Camera.

If you want another camera and it's not going to break your budget, them I'm always in favor of buying new equipment. You're not going to get an argument out of me.

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Jul 22, 2017 16:45:34   #
Marionsho Loc: Kansas
 
copladocus wrote:
I do principle photography for an auction company where all auctions are conducted on line. As such the photos are very important and we take a lot of them depending on the value of the item or group of items. I do a lot of table top work where we lay out a "lot" of items. We work mainly with on camera flash but do occasionally use large softboxes. In addition we take photos of furniture, automobiles and even houses that are up for auction. Since these are going on line we dfo not need a lot of megapixels and in fact most of our photos are 500KB or less as uploading large photo files is prohibitively slow and really doesn't add to the viewer experience.

I am currently using a Canon 10D with an EF 24-85 zoom and Speedlight 430EXII flash and getting good results but feel I am fighting the camera a lot and chimping is problematic with the small LCD panel and my tired old eyes.

I am thinking about getting the new Canon 6D MkII and the 24-105 f/4L IS II USM series lens that will be shipped as a kit. I thought about just getting the lens and tried it out at a local camera store but that does not solve the problem I have reviewing the shots in the camera. And it is a fantastic lens IMHO.

Please tell me I am nuts and need to save my money.
I do principle photography for an auction company ... (show quote)

Oh, I thought you were getting married.

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Jul 22, 2017 17:57:41   #
copladocus
 
Thanks again for all of the replies, I knew I could count on the Hogs to come through. As I suspected a mixed bag of responses. So to address a few. Yes, better readers will help but the image is still pretty small and details are important. I actually awaited the arrival of the 80D as I thought it a better camera then the 70D. So while waiting and procrastinating I join the Hogs and start actually learning about the pros and cons of APS-C and FF sensors. Then I read about the 6DII and notice it has many of the features of the 80D and FF sensor. Yep it is quite a bit more expensive but as one of y'all (I am from Kentucky so I can legitimately use that word form), it will be tax deductible. My only disappointment is that the 6D does not have an integral flash. I guess I will just have to learn how to set the ISO for those situations where I don't want the external flash. So thanks again for all of the responses and feel free to keep them coming.

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Jul 22, 2017 18:14:41   #
copladocus
 
For my chimping it is more a matter of getting all of the items on the table to fit into the frame and be in focus. I am constrained by time and what the boss wants is "well done snap shots." It is a point of contention and I see his point. They are working on the margin and time is money. It is not uncommon to spend more time setting out the objects, say a collection of small music boxes or a full set of china, than it does to actually take the necessary photos. It is a production operation and in many ways we use techniques like Amazon or Zappos. The biggest difference is the boss preferring we use flash instead of studio lights which are my distinct preference. Every time I watch him shoot it is a unending series of grunts, sighs and other verbal signs of frustration as he twists, fusses and fights his on camera flash to get a photo free of glare, reflection or hot spots. No matter what I say he will not accept that studio lights can be set up and you know before you press the shutter what you are going to get in the camera. He accuses me of being "too artistic." I am glad he has other areas that are his strengths... So anyway, a well beyond my original thread. I think I am a bit frustrated.

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Jul 22, 2017 18:18:44   #
BebuLamar
 
copladocus wrote:
For my chimping it is more a matter of getting all of the items on the table to fit into the frame and be in focus. I am constrained by time and what the boss wants is "well done snap shots." It is a point of contention and I see his point. They are working on the margin and time is money. It is not uncommon to spend more time setting out the objects, say a collection of small music boxes or a full set of china, than it does to actually take the necessary photos. It is a production operation and in many ways we use techniques like Amazon or Zappos. The biggest difference is the boss preferring we use flash instead of studio lights which are my distinct preference. Every time I watch him shoot it is a unending series of grunts, sighs and other verbal signs of frustration as he twists, fusses and fights his on camera flash to get a photo free of glare, reflection or hot spots. No matter what I say he will not accept that studio lights can be set up and you know before you press the shutter what you are going to get in the camera. He accuses me of being "too artistic." I am glad he has other areas that are his strengths... So anyway, a well beyond my original thread. I think I am a bit frustrated.
For my chimping it is more a matter of getting all... (show quote)


I rarely tell people to upgrade but in your case I have to say do it. Look for a camera that best fit your need (the 6DII may or may not be) and go for it. Even if you don't earn more money it can reduce your stress. Don't want to work hard if you don't have to.

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Jul 22, 2017 18:42:13   #
copladocus
 


Thank God I have a very talented tax accountant and many more legitimate deductions...

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Jul 22, 2017 18:44:48   #
copladocus
 
PGHphoto wrote:
What kind of 'fighting' with the camera are you doing ? If the main issue is being able to view the image, I would suggest as others have to tether to a pc using the canon software or through lightroom. This will allow you to see immediately what you have shot. I don't believe the 10d supports live view but you would be able to see the picture after you press the shutter.

Like the others here (and because it doesn't sound like you really want to spend the money) I also would stear you towards a less expensive camera unless there are specific things you want for functionality. The T6i and T7i are very good cameras that won't break the bank and allow live view. Want to stay even less expensive ? Check out refurbs of either camera. For what you are doing, you may even entertain a T3i which, refurbished can be ridiculously cheap but older technology.

Finally, if you are working with a single auction house, why not ask them to purchase the new camera and you can give them a discount on your work until the value of the camera is covered ? They get to write off depreciation and get a discount while you get a new camera. After the depreciation is used up and there is no book value, they can give it to you or 'sell' it to you for a price you can agree on now. The expense is fully taken by the company either way.

What can it hurt to ask ??
good luck
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What kind of 'fighting' with the camera are you do... (show quote)


I like your idea here but it will be a non-starter with them. They even buy their own cameras outside of the business expenses. I guess they just don't want to "complicate" their tax filing... But it is their business and I just keep my mouth shut and take the photos.

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Jul 22, 2017 18:51:16   #
copladocus
 
47greyfox wrote:
Not to throw a 6d2 turd in the punch bowl since I have the original version, but a few recent reviews in the last couple days are really blasting it for marginal dynamic range.

https://petapixel.com/2017/07/20/canon-6d-mark-ii-dynamic-range-big-disappointment/
https://www.dpreview.com/articles/3416153698/canon-eos-6d-mark-ii-dynamic-range


Well, Poop! This is disappointing news. But from a practical standpoint, will this make a difference in all but the most demanding shots? I get the point but is this dealing with one mentor called, "Inconsequential Increments?" For my immediate work, will such failings be evident in photos uploaded to the net at a max of 500kb and can only be displayed in the auction software at about 8.5 inches diagonal?

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Jul 22, 2017 19:07:28   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
copladocus wrote:
Well, Poop! This is disappointing news. But from a practical standpoint, will this make a difference in all but the most demanding shots? I get the point but is this dealing with one mentor called, "Inconsequential Increments?" For my immediate work, will such failings be evident in photos uploaded to the net at a max of 500kb and can only be displayed in the auction software at about 8.5 inches diagonal?


Maybe a 6D might suit you better a few less megapixels, and better dynamic range. Far better price. iq wise you probably will find either good enough.

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Jul 22, 2017 20:12:11   #
10MPlayer Loc: California
 
Most cameras can be tethered to a laptop computer. You can view the images on the video monitor. Cheaper than buying a new camera.

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Jul 22, 2017 20:57:52   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
Leitz wrote:
After you've used the 10D for an hour or so, you'll learn how to nail your exposures without having to chimp.

He could/would/did learn that the best way get the right exposure is to look at the histogram and use the preview image only to verify composition.

Sure sounds like "chimping" to me, and that is the best procedure for the variety of commercial photography he is doing.

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Jul 22, 2017 21:03:21   #
spencerp
 
If you wish to upgrade, great but know that if you try to deduct the camera as a business expense make sure you don't leave any personal pictures on it just in case. That being said, if you just want a better camera for product photos, you can find some good used buys on ebay. I got a decent XTi cheap. Have fun

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