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Jun 9, 2016 09:33:03   #
sb Loc: Florida's East Coast
 
Yes, the US Navy is dwindling away. In numbers only. An weak argument used by detractors of whatever administration is in power. Mostly because of the decommissioning of old, outdated ships. We currently have:

"The Navy maintains 11 carrier strike groups,[when?] 9 of which are based in the United States and one that is forward deployed in Japan. CSG or CVBG normally consist of 1 Aircraft Carrier, 1 Guided Missile Cruiser (for Air Defense), 2 LAMPS (Light Airborne Multi-Purpose System) Capable Warships (focusing on Anti-Submarine and Surface Warfare), and 1–2 Anti Submarine Destroyers or Frigates."

Of course, today's aircraft carriers, even the older ones, fly our modern fighters, drones, and other aircraft. We also have in the modern U.S. Navy new Littoral Combat Ships (modern, fast ships designed to work in the near-shore environment, bristling with the latest defensive and offensive technology), guided missile cruisers, fast attack submarines, and other new warships that dwarf the capabilities of other countries. New stealth technologies are even enabling our newest ships to evade detection.

I had the opportunity of touring one of the newest fast-attack submarines a few years ago. It was very impressive, and the use of the latest technology is amazing. We should not forget that one modern warship is the equivalent of a LOT of older-generation warships.

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Jun 9, 2016 09:58:22   #
gawler Loc: rural south australia
 
SBW wrote:


You stated that rural Australians are armed. Would like to hear more about that. We are under the impression here that all of Australia was "disarmed". So that is not true?


no far from it , the gun buy back was for military type fire arms but you can still own any bolt action rifle , shot guns but not pump action , automatic weapons were banned , I have lived rural most of my life and every farm has guns
you can own a pistol as long as you belong to a gun club , so no it was never as bad as people make out and has worked out to be ok no mass shootings in years

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Jun 9, 2016 10:16:25   #
gawler Loc: rural south australia
 
ken hubert wrote:
Since most of your population is close to the coast an invasion inland wouldn't be needed. Just occupy or nuke the coastal areas and it's good by Aussies. China wouldn't hesitate to do either one if they think it's in their interest.


like any country you would need to take all of Australia if you invaded it Australians have shown the world many times just how tough they can be it is not in our nature to give in and we are not good at taking orders , no country has attacked another with nukes since the USA dropped them on Japan , china does not need to invade Australia as we are fast selling it to them any way with large cattle station the size of some of your states being sold
the Brits should not be under estimated they once owned 1 quarter of the earths land mass from that same little island

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Jun 9, 2016 10:41:38   #
gawler Loc: rural south australia
 
mas24 wrote:
On May 1942, at the Battle of the Coral Sea, a Japanese invasion of Australia was repelled by US Naval Power. The Chinese Government wants to dominate the Pacific Theatre just as the Japanese during WW2. While America has downsized its Navy, I can understand the insistence of the American government wanting Australia to be seaworthy militarily. The China is building its Navy like never before. And would love to own Australia.


that is simply not the case the Japanese never had any intention of invading Australia , the Japanese sent a task force to the coral sea to block any attempt by the USA to stop their invasion of Pupua and port Moresby , the under strength mainly Australian forces after many attacks held the Japanese and finally pushed them back to the other side of the island , hence the Kokoda Track a sacred place in Australian history as many thousands of Australians were wounded or died their , it is not possible to save us from an invasion that was never going to happen , the Japanese would have needed to attack Australia from the north ,From Darwin -- Adelaide 3000 km away , Perth 3960km away Sydney 3934 km away Brisbane 3433 km away and nothing in between really in 1942 and most of that is desert an all most impossible task even today

The Japanese ultimately decided not to invade the Australian mainland during World War II, but they did intend to cut Australia’s supply lines from America. They planned to begin their attack from Rabaul, New Britain, and from there to blockade Australia from bases they would establish on various Pacific island groups: Fiji, the New Hebrides, Samoa and the Solomons.



In early May 1942, the Japanese despatched an invasion fleet from Rabaul to take Port Moresby, Papua. They also sent a carrier force to patrol into the Coral Sea to intercept any American carriers sent to thwart their planned attack. The Japanese landed at Tulagi in the Solomons on 2 May. At the same time, their invasion fleet, protected by carrier air support, headed towards Port Moresby on the south coast of Papua.

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Jun 9, 2016 10:54:03   #
Duckfart Loc: Olympia, Washington
 
Los-Angeles-Shooter wrote:
http://warisboring.com/the-british-royal-navy-is-down-to-17-frigates-and-destroyers-d65f29e5b064?mc_cid=922c293b90&mc_eid=b2bf7f83fa#.iuv687edc

Crew shortages, poor maintenance, most ships not seaworthy or permanently moored, the occasional sailor beheaded in London ... The Limeys don't even have seaborne fighter planes any more.


I read not too long ago that the British had THE submarine/systems. It was able to identify ships leaving New York harbor (USA) without leaving its port in England. Going to pot? I think not.

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Jun 9, 2016 10:55:30   #
lateron Loc: Yorkshire, England
 
John N wrote:
repeat post - I need a delete option.


Viscount driver, you are obviously biased, but I agree with much that you have to say. However, our politicians have not suppported the Armed Forces in the way that they should.

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Jun 9, 2016 11:23:06   #
FrankR Loc: NYC
 
SBW wrote:
What a stupid, idiotic, ignorant and uninformed post. One of stupidest post I have seen. There are quite a few other countries that have done far, far, far worse to the United States and her people and are today considered very strong allies. Japan, Germany, Italy, and even the UK would be just some of the examples.
Did you forget about them, or are you just another stupid run of the mill Israel hater?


Let me see if I understand this correctly: The conversation is about today, our current allies and in order to defend your position you mention countries who were once our enemies in time of war, including one going back to the XVIII Century. I express an opinion different from yours which your mind equates to hatred. And I'm the one who is stupid, idiotic, ignorant and uninformed? I won't lower myself to your intellectual level and start calling you names but clearly, if brains were dynamite, you wouldn't have enough to blow your nose. Lastly, your saying my post is one of the stupidest you've seen clearly indicates you don't read your own.

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Jun 9, 2016 11:46:17   #
ken hubert Loc: Missouri
 
FrankR wrote:
That's not the case. There are several of our allies who don't routinely spy on us, then lobby for the convicted spy's release. No other of our allies has deliberately attacked a US Navy vessel in international waters, clearly flying the American flag, killing several sailors. No other head of state of a friendly nation has made speeches before Congress criticizing US policy and the administration. And our being allied with no other country costs us anywhere near as much in money. Your ignorance of those facts and others I'm sure, isn't surprising, given how you end your statement.
That's not the case. There are several of our alli... (show quote)


I am aware of those facts and I am very pleased that Obummer was criticised before Congress by their PM. We get alot of value for our money in Isreal. I just wish a Mossad hit squad would get rid of Obummer. You are the ignorant one and you are showing your anti Semite bigotry for everyone to see.

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Jun 9, 2016 12:14:01   #
kd7eir Loc: Tucson, AZ
 
ken hubert wrote:
Israel is our best ally, in spite of that muslim piece of shit in the WH.


Obama has put together the largest increase in military aid to Israel in HISTORY. The aid package put together by Obama will give Israel 30% MORE MONEY than they received in the deal put together by Bush. A 30% PAY RAISE is good in anyone's book! Go ahead, spin this into how Obama hates Israel...

By the way, Obama shaves, eats bacon, drinks beer, is pro-choice, pro-gay, pro-women's rights - that makes him the WORST MUSLIM EVER!

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Jun 9, 2016 12:16:50   #
ken hubert Loc: Missouri
 
kd7eir wrote:
Obama has put together the largest increase in military aid to Israel in HISTORY. The aid package put together by Obama will give Israel 30% MORE MONEY than they received in the deal put together by Bush. A 30% PAY RAISE is good in anyone's book! Go ahead, spin this into how Obama hates Israel...

By the way, Obama shaves, eats bacon, drinks beer, is pro-choice, pro-gay, pro-women's rights - that makes him the WORST MUSLIM EVER!


I'v never seen it eat bacon. Of course I wouldn't let someone that filthy into my house either.

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Jun 9, 2016 12:59:33   #
mas24 Loc: Southern CA
 
gawler wrote:
that is simply not the case the Japanese never had any intention of invading Australia , the Japanese sent a task force to the coral sea to block any attempt by the USA to stop their invasion of Pupua and port Moresby , the under strength mainly Australian forces after many attacks held the Japanese and finally pushed them back to the other side of the island , hence the Kokoda Track a sacred place in Australian history as many thousands of Australians were wounded or died their , it is not possible to save us from an invasion that was never going to happen , the Japanese would have needed to attack Australia from the north ,From Darwin -- Adelaide 3000 km away , Perth 3960km away Sydney 3934 km away Brisbane 3433 km away and nothing in between really in 1942 and most of that is desert an all most impossible task even today

The Japanese ultimately decided not to invade the Australian mainland during World War II, but they did intend to cut Australia’s supply lines from America. They planned to begin their attack from Rabaul, New Britain, and from there to blockade Australia from bases they would establish on various Pacific island groups: Fiji, the New Hebrides, Samoa and the Solomons.



In early May 1942, the Japanese despatched an invasion fleet from Rabaul to take Port Moresby, Papua. They also sent a carrier force to patrol into the Coral Sea to intercept any American carriers sent to thwart their planned attack. The Japanese landed at Tulagi in the Solomons on 2 May. At the same time, their invasion fleet, protected by carrier air support, headed towards Port Moresby on the south coast of Papua.
that is simply not the case the Japanese never had... (show quote)


On December 8, 1941, Australia's Prime Minister John Curtin announced "We are at War with Japan."

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Jun 9, 2016 13:44:14   #
Earworms Loc: Sacramento, California
 
mas24 wrote:
The UK is building two Brand new Aircraft Carriers, one to be named the Queen Elizabeth. The US Navy now has about 10 active Aircraft Carriers, more than any nation. China has two Aircraft Carriers now, one old one bought from Russia they are restoring. The number of American warships now is the lowest since the pre-WW2 era. The Department of the Navy keeps saying we don't need a great number of warships anymore, but IMO we need to build more. The Navy Department says America has advanced technology to offset new expensive shipbuilding. America still has the greatest Navy, despite downsizing.
The UK is building two Brand new Aircraft Carriers... (show quote)


Any one of our carrier groups could pound the crap out of any opposing naval fleet. Heck, some of our carriers have more planes than some countries do!

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Jun 9, 2016 14:27:13   #
ken hubert Loc: Missouri
 
Earworms wrote:
Any one of our carrier groups could pound the crap out of any opposing naval fleet. Heck, some of our carriers have more planes than some countries do!


Sure, if they can get spare parts.

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Jun 9, 2016 15:38:14   #
Los-Angeles-Shooter Loc: Los Angeles
 
rmalarz wrote:
In response to your statement, "TRIVIA: The British lost an entire Arctic expedition to scurvy, even though they took a good supply of limes. Kudos to whoever knows why this happened."

You'll find quite a bit of information in this article.

http://idlewords.com/2010/03/scott_and_scurvy.htm

--Bob


A fascinating article, indeed.

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Jun 9, 2016 15:43:05   #
sb Loc: Florida's East Coast
 
Earworms wrote:
Any one of our carrier groups could pound the crap out of any opposing naval fleet. Heck, some of our carriers have more planes than some countries do!


Yes - people tend to forget that little fact!

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