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Feb 5, 2016 20:29:03   #
OHenry Loc: St. Michaels, MD
 
big-guy wrote:
Not sure what your getting at here. You set the camera on a tripod, make your setting choices, use BBF to get focus, go sit down on the lawn chair, push the cable release and camera makes adjustment to exposure and takes the picture. Oh look, a bird is flying through the scene, everything is already set, including focus, so push the cable release and the camera sets exposure and takes the picture. Why do you want to refocus again on the same spot? The focus is already set. Now if your using manual mode then the camera does not even need to make any changes to exposure as you have already set that in stone so it merely takes the picture, which now does not waste time setting exposure or waste time finding focus, it just takes the picture reducing your already fast lag time. When shooting landscapes you will almost always be at or near infinity (unless you happen to be in a tight space rock canyon) so why would you need to refocus? The BBF only deals with focus (sets it and locks it till you change it), not exposure.

Again, if your view point changes to a different scene (see above, tight space rock canyon)... well you need to touch the camera to do that anyway which also would include setting the new focus point, unless it remains at infinity. As a rule, if the camera don't move then the focus don't move. (rules are made to be broken on occasion)

What am I missing in your scenario?
Not sure what your getting at here. You set the ca... (show quote)


Ah so.....I knew I was making the issue bigger than it is! BBF locks the focus and there is NO rush. Thanks.

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Feb 5, 2016 20:31:32   #
OHenry Loc: St. Michaels, MD
 
orrie smith wrote:
obtain focus with the back button focus, then release the camera and use the cable release to capture the photo. the bbf is just to get the picture in focus, and unlike the shutter button, it may be released and still maintain focus.



Yes! Got it!

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Feb 5, 2016 20:34:15   #
OHenry Loc: St. Michaels, MD
 
Thank you all for your input. As always, you get honest, specfic and to-the-point responses on this forum. I appreciate that very much.

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Feb 5, 2016 23:37:05   #
Steve Perry Loc: Sylvania, Ohio
 
rbfanman wrote:
Who needs a cable release? Get a remote release (electronic), or set the timer for 10 seconds, and hit the shutter release. The ten seconds between hitting the shutter, and the shot, will let the vibrations caused by touching the shutter release die down. BBF, and leave that be. Turn AF off if need be.


I use a cable release instead of a timed release so I can time elements in the shot.

For example, I shoot a lot up along the shore of L. Superior. A cable release allows me to time me shot for the perfect wave - can't do that with a 10 second timer.

Another use is for combating wind in a scene. You can lock up your mirror and just wait till it stops (or slows down) for a second and then snap the shutter before it starts again.

So, timer release works good sometimes, but there are times a cable release can be your best friend.

The two shots below are good examples of when using a cable release to catch the perfect wave paid off:


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Feb 6, 2016 05:43:36   #
georgevedwards Loc: Essex, Maryland.
 
Nice photos! They look like HDR photos, which may have issues with motion in the scene because they take 3 or more exposures while the scene changes. I guess this could be responsible for the water effect, which looks similar to what happens when you use a slow shutter speed on moving water? Did you use multiple exposures with the waves in different positions? I did notice on one of my HDR's the moving clouds produced like after images which I think is called a ghosting effect or double image (and yet the moving water in the harbor in the same photo had very sharply focused ripples)), but with water moving fast enough so the each frame shows some of the "smoke" or blurring effect, which is then combined by Photomatix or whatever HDR software you use? I am confused too by what I just said, but I think you may understand what I am getting at. Unless it was all done from a single shot in the first place and not multiple exposures.
Steve Perry wrote:
I use a cable release instead of a timed release so I can time elements in the shot.

For example, I shoot a lot up along the shore of L. Superior. A cable release allows me to time me shot for the perfect wave - can't do that with a 10 second timer.

Another use is for combating wind in a scene. You can lock up your mirror and just wait till it stops (or slows down) for a second and then snap the shutter before it starts again.

So, timer release works good sometimes, but there are times a cable release can be your best friend.

The two shots below are good examples of when using a cable release to catch the perfect wave paid off:
I use a cable release instead of a timed release s... (show quote)

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Feb 6, 2016 05:47:18   #
leftyD500 Loc: Ocala, Florida
 
MtnMan wrote:
I usually use timed release instead of the cable with my D800 on tripod. (The reason is the stupid design of the cable attachment). I don't use bbf but you might see if the 2 sec delay works for you.

But for landscape I've mostly gone to Bryan Peterson's suggestion to not focus at all. I turn autofocus off and set the lens on infinity.


MtnMan, I often see a photog say what you just said about setting the lens on infinity. Can you please explain to me how you do this, and how it gets you the sharp focus you want?

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Feb 6, 2016 06:59:03   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
MtnMan wrote:
Don't know about the 750.

Yes, it has a connection point.

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Feb 6, 2016 07:03:26   #
Szalajj Loc: Salem, NH
 
rbfanman wrote:
Who needs a cable release? Get a remote release (electronic), or set the timer for 10 seconds, and hit the shutter release. The ten seconds between hitting the shutter, and the shot, will let the vibrations caused by touching the shutter release die down. BBF, and leave that be. Turn AF off if need be.


Unfortunately, I was only able to get a cable release for my Canon Rebel T5, at least from my favorite local camera dealer. In most cases, it has worked well for me, only occasionally giving me problems with not being able to focus on a subject. When this happens, I switch to manual focus, refocus, and snap away.

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Feb 6, 2016 07:48:04   #
mborn Loc: Massachusetts
 
OHenry wrote:
I've seen the light about BBF and I've been practicing regularly. I agree that it works great for hand holding the camera/moving subjects. A problem is that "everyone" seems to say to set the camera for BBF and leave it there!

My dilemma is...I take a lot of landscape photos using a tripod and cable release. It seems counterproductive to use BBF and then snap the shutter with the cable release. Obviously I'm TOUCHING the camera to do this. (The cable release cannot be set to use BBF). Should I be going back and forth between BBF and half-press depending upon what I'm shooting. I've not seen this discussed. Please comment
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When I use a cable release I manually focus using LV set 2 sec delay on the shutter and use the cable release

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Feb 6, 2016 07:59:23   #
par4fore Loc: Bay Shore N.Y.
 
MtnMan wrote:
I usually use timed release instead of the cable with my D800 on tripod. (The reason is the stupid design of the cable attachment). I don't use bbf but you might see if the 2 sec delay works for you.

But for landscape I've mostly gone to Bryan Peterson's suggestion to not focus at all. I turn autofocus off and set the lens on infinity.


Not every lens has a hard stop for infinity so how do you do this? Do you use live view or the VF? Please explain and thanks.

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Feb 6, 2016 09:10:50   #
Mark7829 Loc: Calfornia
 
Dngallagher wrote:
Obviously, BBF has its place, BUT not for everything. It is good for action shots, it is good to be able to control exactly what is in focus, or out of focus before tripping the shutter, but for some shots of course it becomes a distraction/hinderance.

One option is to use a IR remote which may focus before tripping the shutter, even when the camera is set for BBF - My Nikon D7100 set for BBF will activate focus, then trip the shutter when activate by using the IR remote.

The cable release will not change the focus, but the IR remote will cause the BBF setting to be ignored.
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You really don't need IR or a cable release for long exposures. Just use the self timer on the camera and set it to shoot 2 seconds after shutter release. Keep using BBF.

Then again, check your manual for various settings on BBF. I have a D810 with various settings for BBF and setting for the shutter release. You might see if there is a setting to the shutter not to focus/re-focus.

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Feb 6, 2016 09:31:56   #
Steve Perry Loc: Sylvania, Ohio
 
georgevedwards wrote:
Nice photos! They look like HDR photos, which may have issues with motion in the scene because they take 3 or more exposures while the scene changes. I guess this could be responsible for the water effect, which looks similar to what happens when you use a slow shutter speed on moving water? Did you use multiple exposures with the waves in different positions? I did notice on one of my HDR's the moving clouds produced like after images which I think is called a ghosting effect or double image (and yet the moving water in the harbor in the same photo had very sharply focused ripples)), but with water moving fast enough so the each frame shows some of the "smoke" or blurring effect, which is then combined by Photomatix or whatever HDR software you use? I am confused too by what I just said, but I think you may understand what I am getting at. Unless it was all done from a single shot in the first place and not multiple exposures.
Nice photos! They look like HDR photos, which may ... (show quote)


Thanks - nope, these are not shot as HDRs. I do manual blending in photoshop using layer masks and luminosity masks as needed. That way, I can pick and choose what parts of each image end up in the photo and what doesn't (no ghosting that way). In the rainbow image, it was just a single exposure double-processed in LR (one for highlights, the other for normal / shadow areas).

The sunset one was a two shot blend, one for the sky and one for the water / land.

The waves are pretty much a result of the shutter speed used - I don't think I blended for waves in the rainbow photo, but I believe I did a slight bit of blending in waves form two different shots in the sunset. If I recall, the main image had the nice break over the foreground but I think I blended in a wave from another shot (taken the same time / place of course) for the one of the background waves. But the foreground was all one image - it was just messy :)

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Feb 6, 2016 09:48:35   #
MtnMan Loc: ID
 
jradose wrote:
MtnMan, I often see a photog say what you just said about setting the lens on infinity. Can you please explain to me how you do this, and how it gets you the sharp focus you want?


First, turn off autofocus. You can do this with the switch on the lens and/or through the menu.

Then look at the lens. You will see a little plastic window with numbers and the infinity sign near the focus ring. Align the middle of the infinity sign (8 on it's side) with the marker by turning the focus ring.

You need to be a little careful with some lenses (e.g. My Sigma 17-50) because if you manually turn the focus ring with autofocus on you could do damage. Not a problem with most Nikon lenses: you can turn the focus ring any time.

Note this works best with wide angle lenses at high f-stop because DOF is huge so insensitive to actual focus distance setting.

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Feb 6, 2016 10:25:20   #
windshoppe Loc: Arizona
 
For maximum DOF I highly recommend setting the lens at the hyperfocal distance for landscapes. No auto or manual visual focusing required and the results are the next best thing to focus stacking as far as I'm concerned.

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Feb 6, 2016 10:28:10   #
georgevedwards Loc: Essex, Maryland.
 
Thanks for the info! Those shots look incredible, they have a lot of the postive effects of the HDR's without that pesky "edge glow" which I don't like. I have been doing some luminosity masks so I have an idea of what you are talking about there, the ability to target narrow tonal ranges that are sort of lost in the original, whicy is what HDR does in a different way, or maybe even similar to a kind "tonal equalizer", in music where there are a series of sliders that target more narrow ranges of tone rather than just bass and treble. However I admit "layer masks" are something whose use and meaning has still eluded me, despite several attempts to get a handle on them. Do have a few words in a nutshell about what they do?
Steve Perry wrote:
Thanks - nope, these are not shot as HDRs. I do manual blending in photoshop using layer masks and luminosity masks as needed. That way, I can pick and choose what parts of each image end up in the photo and what doesn't (no ghosting that way). In the rainbow image, it was just a single exposure double-processed in LR (one for highlights, the other for normal / shadow areas).

The sunset one was a two shot blend, one for the sky and one for the water / land.

The waves are pretty much a result of the shutter speed used - I don't think I blended for waves in the rainbow photo, but I believe I did a slight bit of blending in waves form two different shots in the sunset. If I recall, the main image had the nice break over the foreground but I think I blended in a wave from another shot (taken the same time / place of course) for the one of the background waves. But the foreground was all one image - it was just messy :)
Thanks - nope, these are not shot as HDRs. I do ma... (show quote)

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