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Nov 14, 2015 15:48:20   #
hank6595 Loc: Amesbury, MA
 
I had a friend who was employed by Kodak and several friends who
were with Polaroid. All preached the same line: "digital is just a fad".
That kool aid didn't work.

tHANKs

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Nov 14, 2015 17:05:52   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Low Lids wrote:
Just wondering how cell phones did during the same time frame? If they were affected too or were their sales on the upswing? From what I understand, because of the millions of willing cell phone users, many news and weather agencies have reduced or done away with their photographers and are relying on cell "phoners' to send in pictures and videos of happenings at no cost to the agencies. Amazing what technology has done! Perhaps being a country relying on a "Service" economy wasn't the best idea!
Just wondering how cell phones did during the same... (show quote)


Apple guarantees continued sales to their Kool Aid drinkers by coming out with a new phone every 6 months and other cells do the same. They pay $5.00 a month on the phone bill to pay for the phone.
DSLRs are a far bigger investment and there is some market saturation of those wanting quality over a face book selfie.
I would like to know how many units are still being sold monthly?
Just a thought.

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Nov 14, 2015 19:38:22   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
So the latest and greatest technology of Apple is about to release a new and revolutionary iCamera that will out perform anything every made before. I have it on authority that it involves iProbes that mount on the temples.

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Nov 14, 2015 19:41:23   #
joegim Loc: Long Island, NY
 
Anybody have any numbers on ILC's and mirorless camera sales from Olympus, Sony, Panasonic, Fuji? Maybe there is a shift to these types because some of then now rival DSLR's in terms of quality. Also Panasonic mirrorless have 4K video which I think still no DSLR offers.

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Nov 14, 2015 19:43:13   #
joegim Loc: Long Island, NY
 
Anybody have any numbers on ILC's and mirorless camera sales from Olympus, Sony, Panasonic, Fuji? Maybe there is a shift to these types because some of then now rival DSLR's in terms of quality. Also Panasonic mirrorless have 4K video which I think still no DSLR offers.

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Nov 14, 2015 19:52:59   #
wlgoode Loc: Globe, AZ
 
MT Shooter wrote:
Last quarter reports of sales show across the board sales drops, with Sony coming out on the short end of the stick overall, Canon compacts took the biggest segment hit:

•Nikon system cameras down 11.1%
•Nikon lenses down 10.1%
•Compact cameras down 11.1%

•Sony digital cameras down 27.2%

•Canon system cameras down 17%
•Canon compact cameras down 29%


Can't say for sure without appropriate data however it could be because of increased reliability of digital cameras. As a retired Photo Equipment tech I can testify that many of the older film format cameras were worn out from mechanical wear. Digital cameras have no rewind lever, no film rails, no film transport and no opening back and electronic switching vs mechanical switching resulting in much less mechanical wear.

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Nov 14, 2015 20:14:21   #
Marionsho Loc: Kansas
 
wlgoode wrote:
Can't say for sure without appropriate data however it could be because of increased reliability of digital cameras. As a retired Photo Equipment tech I can testify that many of the older film format cameras were worn out from mechanical wear. Digital cameras have no rewind lever, no film rails, no film transport and no opening back and electronic switching vs mechanical switching resulting in much less mechanical wear.


Good point. Thanks wlgoode.

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Nov 14, 2015 20:14:54   #
puku8849
 
Reinaldokool wrote:
Thanks for all that information, Jim. It matches my hunch, unfortunately. We have all those cellphones out there taking all those selfies and snapshots. They do that better than real cameras. They do not take photographs.

I sat through a presentation at our local camera club. Some person who has made a big thing of using the cellphone to make "photographs." I am a very polite person, so I sat on my hands and taped my mouth. Every "great" image she showed could have been improved with a real camera. She was fighting focal length, DOF, "grain" (pixels), etc. For what she was using, she did a great job, but I won't leave my cameras at home.
Thanks for all that information, Jim. It matches m... (show quote)

Unfortunately, you are in the minority. 99% of "photographs" are now made via Photoshop, LR, Printshop or other software, not straight out of the camera, so the modern camera is only a means of collecting pixels of light manipulated through the use of aperture, speed control and ISO to influence DOF and amount of light and shade. The finished product depends entirely on one's ability to use these sophisticated programs I am afraid. The coming trend, therefore, is to use lighter, simpler but well made cameras to capture the basic image and leave the rest to the computer.

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Nov 14, 2015 20:38:52   #
g8rfan1942 Loc: Ormond Beach Fl
 
marty wild wrote:
How I see it! That many millions of phone user are quite happy with the images they get. So why should they drag a bag camera lenses around? For quality work you need the correct tools as we all know who frequent this forum. Standards of work quality job satisfaction have fallen through the world. So my point is that average images are acceptable. The use of the available software does render the images OK. All ways remember that photos are taken for our own pleasure, thats why I have no problem in strapping my kit on.
How I see it! That many millions of phone user are... (show quote)


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Nov 14, 2015 21:20:32   #
thephotoman Loc: Rochester, NY
 
puku8849 wrote:
Unfortunately, you are in the minority. 99% of "photographs" are now made via Photoshop, LR, Printshop or other software, not straight out of the camera, so the modern camera is only a means of collecting pixels of light manipulated through the use of aperture, speed control and ISO to influence DOF and amount of light and shade. The finished product depends entirely on one's ability to use these sophisticated programs I am afraid. The coming trend, therefore, is to use lighter, simpler but well made cameras to capture the basic image and leave the rest to the computer.
Unfortunately, you are in the minority. 99% of &qu... (show quote)

Personally, I would rather get it right, or as close as I can, then spending hours in front of a computer. My motto, "quality time behind the camera, less time in front of the computer."

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Nov 14, 2015 21:21:50   #
Marionsho Loc: Kansas
 
thephotoman wrote:
Personally, I would rather get it right, or as close as I can, then spending hours in front of a computer. My motto, "quality time behind the camera, less time in front of the computer."


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Nov 14, 2015 21:23:08   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
thephotoman wrote:
Personally, I would rather get it right, or as close as I can, then spending hours in front of a computer. My motto, "quality time behind the camera, less time in front of the computer."

I just want to get it right. I don't care about hours here or hours there.

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Nov 14, 2015 21:36:42   #
puku8849
 
Marionsho wrote:
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Each to his /her own. One cannot generalise. We can only rely on real numbers to get the true state of affairs.

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Nov 14, 2015 21:52:40   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
Can everybody please stop using the term "Kool-Aid drinkers" to refer to people who follow an idea. I knew Jim Jones, attended an annual church conference in which he participated two years before Jonestown and lost friends there, and, years later, it still hurts. Please stop. Thank you.

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Nov 14, 2015 22:20:15   #
wlgoode Loc: Globe, AZ
 
Mogul wrote:
Can everybody please stop using the term "Kool-Aid drinkers" to refer to people who follow an idea. I knew Jim Jones, attended an annual church conference in which he participated two years before Jonestown and lost friends there, and, years later, it still hurts. Please stop. Thank you.


I'll never forget this fragment of a news announcement following the massacre when I was still in my home state of IN: "The Jonestown leader, Rev. Jim Jones, a former door to door monkey salesman in IN."

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