Nikon, Canon and Sony sales down
Nov 14, 2015 10:03:52 #
boberic wrote:
If this downturn continues I wonder if it will result in one company buying another. This happens often in many industries. Will we see a Canikon in the future?
I doubt if it will happen for a while, quite apart from prestige and selling just cameras and lenses, they have other professional technical sections such as scanners and microscopes for Nikon and printers and professional TV camera paraphrenalia for Canon. Sony did swallow Minolta and Ricoh now owns Pentax, but they are both conglomerates with many other products.
Nov 14, 2015 10:07:36 #
Harry Thomas wrote:
:thumbup:
Nokia coughed and spluttered and died an undignified death even though they had the best cell phone camera just before laying low.
Nov 14, 2015 10:09:06 #
as the market continues to shrink, the only way if for companys to merge or sell their product lines as it all comes back to money for NRE....
Nov 14, 2015 10:18:24 #
Nov 14, 2015 10:20:48 #
LoneRangeFinder wrote:
I wonder if the proliferation of cell phones and the improvements in their camera technology might be factors
I would believe it would make a big difference. Most young people want pictures they can share immediately and the phones provide this. Also, the smart phone is a multi-use gadget, and that is what interests young people-and old people also- like me!
I suspect that when phone cameras become really sophisticated, stand alone cameras will go the way of typewriters and soon, land line phones.
Nov 14, 2015 10:21:06 #
Tomcat5133
Loc: Gladwyne PA
William Eggleston said in Vanity Fair this month "that everyone is a photography now". One would think that smart phones improving quality and so many in hands is changing the game.
Their has been a leap in what DSLR/Mirrorless/Camcorders can do. And all the R&D and overhead expense at our favorite companies might be a problem. The very expensive features like very high resolution and amazing sensor's has brought down the prices of what was only for high end pro work. We have the RX100 4 with great photography, 4k video, super slow motion etc. All for $900+ dollars. Still a big purchase. I have spent about 10k the last 2 years and trade and sold for about 6k of these upgrades. Given me Sony PXW X70 pro small camcorder with 4k. Sony a7s for more film look and astounding low light and some lens good and budget. And some support stuff for this kit. I think this is great.
Most folks that bought a starter DSLR and a lens our happy with this and like a friend of mine who has a Nikon D90 and still take good shots for his work and family they are fine.
Their has been a leap in what DSLR/Mirrorless/Camcorders can do. And all the R&D and overhead expense at our favorite companies might be a problem. The very expensive features like very high resolution and amazing sensor's has brought down the prices of what was only for high end pro work. We have the RX100 4 with great photography, 4k video, super slow motion etc. All for $900+ dollars. Still a big purchase. I have spent about 10k the last 2 years and trade and sold for about 6k of these upgrades. Given me Sony PXW X70 pro small camcorder with 4k. Sony a7s for more film look and astounding low light and some lens good and budget. And some support stuff for this kit. I think this is great.
Most folks that bought a starter DSLR and a lens our happy with this and like a friend of mine who has a Nikon D90 and still take good shots for his work and family they are fine.
Nov 14, 2015 10:44:21 #
NJphotodoc
Loc: Now in the First State
While flying on Pan Am to a financial meeting hosted by Lehman Brothers at the Revel Hotel in Atlantic City :lol:
Nov 14, 2015 10:45:18 #
NJphotodoc wrote:
While flying on Pan Am to a financial meeting hosted by Lehman Brothers at the Revel Hotel in Atlantic City :lol:
haha...I see what you did there. ;)
:lol:
Nov 14, 2015 11:40:10 #
ruffy
Loc: Metairie, LA
dpullum wrote:
Hay, don't worry, they are too big to fail.
Hope you're right. Let's not forget what happened to Minolta!
Nov 14, 2015 11:40:41 #
ballsafire
Loc: Lafayette, Louisiana
but more importantly: they don't need nor want DSLR level complexity.
That's right! :thumbdown:
That's right! :thumbdown:
Nov 14, 2015 12:41:20 #
Ted Evans
Loc: Jasper, AL
I would like to think that this sales decrease will result in some price reduction, especially for the upcoming holidays. I am waiting for a possible (hopefully probable)
reduction because I am waiting to buy Canon's best 100-400
lens. Have rented it before and love it.
Ted Evans
reduction because I am waiting to buy Canon's best 100-400
lens. Have rented it before and love it.
Ted Evans
Nov 14, 2015 13:31:49 #
JimH123 wrote:
The numbers are hard to compare since there are several factors at play. Sony reported fewer cameras being sold.
Thanks for all that information, Jim. It matches my hunch, unfortunately. We have all those cellphones out there taking all those selfies and snapshots. They do that better than real cameras. They do not take photographs.
I sat through a presentation at our local camera club. Some person who has made a big thing of using the cellphone to make "photographs." I am a very polite person, so I sat on my hands and taped my mouth. Every "great" image she showed could have been improved with a real camera. She was fighting focal length, DOF, "grain" (pixels), etc. For what she was using, she did a great job, but I won't leave my cameras at home.
Nov 14, 2015 15:28:14 #
The market is saturated with cameras and photogwannabees.
Perception counts for a lot. If a person THINKS they take great pictures with a cell phone it is apparently good enough for that person. So it is unlikely that that person will go out and by a top of the line canon or Nikon or even a mid range. Most people are on some sort of social media site and the cell phone works well for that.
Or if you just want a print for a 5x7 frame...cell phone pics work pretty well for that too.
So flood the market with Nikon, Canon and Sony products, and throw in the fact that most people have a cell phone and for basic purposes prefer it to anything much bigger...who is left to buy?
Perception counts for a lot. If a person THINKS they take great pictures with a cell phone it is apparently good enough for that person. So it is unlikely that that person will go out and by a top of the line canon or Nikon or even a mid range. Most people are on some sort of social media site and the cell phone works well for that.
Or if you just want a print for a 5x7 frame...cell phone pics work pretty well for that too.
So flood the market with Nikon, Canon and Sony products, and throw in the fact that most people have a cell phone and for basic purposes prefer it to anything much bigger...who is left to buy?
Nov 14, 2015 15:40:59 #
chazz4623
Loc: Prairieville, La
Why dont the majors just start making cameras that contain a good smartphone, and remote (selfie) lenses and such????
Nov 14, 2015 15:47:37 #
I have two cameras that will post directly to facebook and instagram.
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