Help with Wide angle zoom Lens (Page 2): For the indoor shots I would want to use it hand held, not on a tripod. Also I usually don't shoot Video. Doug...

damoran

For the indoor shots I would want to use it hand held, not on a tripod. Also I usually don't shoot Video.
Doug

mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey

Peterff wrote:

Yes, but the 10 -18 has IS. It isn't that simple....

The shot that I posted as an example was tripod based, so what difference does a stop make in that scenario with an ultra wide. DOF isn't much of a consideration....

Plus newer cameras have sensors which can give you an extra 1-2 stops of of relatively noise free shots by raising the ISO. For instance, my Canon 7D II takes noticeably cleaner shots at ISO 6400 than my 60D did at ISO 3200. And at ISO 16000 the output can still be very usable with significantly less noise than the very very noisy 60D output at ISO 6400. The end result is I can use slower variable aperture lenses indoors, without flash, in a variety of circumstances I never would have considered before.

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

damoran wrote:

For the indoor shots I would want to use it hand held, not on a tripod. Also I usually don't shoot Video.
Doug

In which case I would recommend the 10 - 18 over the 10 -22.

This should not be a hard choice...

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

yds0066 wrote:

I guess if you have time to setup your tripod and frame the picture you want, then the speed of the lens does not matter. Especially if you are shooting furniture instead of grandkids or pets.

Agreed. There are many considerations to the best choice for a specific individual. IS makes a difference, max aperture makes a difference, sensor capability makes a difference and photographer's skill makes a difference.

It is important to understand what matters to each individual, there are very few "universal best" choices!

yds0066 Loc: Southwestern Illinois

Peterff wrote:

Agreed. There are many considerations to the best choice for a specific individual.

You are right. It seems that there is not any one lens or camera that will be the best for everything, and when you take price into the equation, trade-offs are a must. Unless you have unlimited funds.......

Gifted One Loc: S. E. Idaho

That is just not accurate. I found that the slowest UWA lens on my 60D has been plenty fast enough. There are just a large amount of choices available. Much so at used side-walk pricing. Someone buys an UWA and then does not know how to use it and is unwilling to learn.

J. R.

yds0066 wrote:

I guess if you have time to setup your tripod and frame the picture you want, then the speed of the lens does not matter. Especially if you are shooting furniture instead of grandkids or pets.

yds0066 Loc: Southwestern Illinois

Gifted One wrote:

That is just not accurate. I found that the slowest UWA lens on my 60D has been plenty fast enough. There are just a large amount of choices available. Much so at used side-walk pricing. Someone buys an UWA and then does not know how to use it and is unwilling to learn.

J. R.

I am not sure what you are referring to that is not accurate but it appears that what you are saying is that the slowest UWA lens on your 60D is fast enough to take a good picture in a VERY dark room, say about 0.3 lux which is typical moonlight. Autofocus and handheld?

rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania

What would IS matter if you're using a tripod?!

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

rmorrison1116 wrote:

What would IS matter if you're using a tripod?!

It doesn't. It should normally be turned off. It may matter if you wish to use a lens in a low light environment. This discussion is getting a long way away from the original question and some of the subsequent topics.

I may have introduced the tripod issue, but that was in response to using a UWA lens indoors. It just happened to be a tripod-based, HDR processed example of a static environment. Hand held both larger apertures and IS make a difference, and sometimes off set each other.

What was the point of your question?

Gifted One Loc: S. E. Idaho

I am saying under the lighting conditions that I have used it in it has been OK

Your wording " VERY dark room, say about 0.3 lux which is typical moonlight"

J. R.

yds0066 wrote:

I am not sure what you are referring to that is not accurate but it appears that what you are saying is that the slowest UWA lens on your 60D is fast enough to take a good picture in a VERY dark room, say about 0.3 lux which is typical moonlight. Autofocus and handheld?

Gifted One Loc: S. E. Idaho

Great article for UWA and why people are disappointed when they buy one.

http://www.outdoorphotographer.com/how-to/shooting/do-more-with-wide-angle.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Read%20More&utm_campaign=OP%20eNL%2010-26-15#.Vi6k8JXou1t

J. R.

billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont

damoran wrote:

I need help in deciding which wide angle lens to p... (show quote)

Choice between the Canon's. The Canon EFS 10-22 is a wider range and faster than the 10-18. On your 7D it becomes about 35mm at the top end and faster for your indoor family photos and about 16 mm at the wide end for those outdoor landscapes. Ride with the brand and you'll become a fan.

revhen Loc: By the beautiful Hudson

Linda From Maine wrote:

I love my 10-18 mm, but I don't know that it would work for people indoors. There is distortion at the edges when you angle it + you need to be very, very close to fill the frame.

The 18-135 is so much more versatile. I bought a used one through B&H in January for $300.

Here are some with the 18-135:

http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-339332-1.html

I have both the 18-135 (older version) and the Canon 70D which I use successfully indoors sans flash even in rather dark situations. I also have the 10-22 which, unfortunately, I rarely use.

sb Loc: Florida's East Coast

I love the Canon 10-22. There is no reason it wouldn't work well indoors - if you use a tripod for low-light situations. If you want a flash to cover that wide an angle you will need to use a good diffuser!

Here are some samples taken with this lens:

http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-221396-1.html

Mr. B Loc: eastern Connecticut

The 10-22mm EF-S is my go-to lens when taking landscape photos. I absolutely love it. It is also very versatile in taking photos of museum displays (reasonably fast) and building interior photos. At a setting of 12mm and up you will get little distortion.
I have been using it for over 5 years and my only regret was not having purchased it years earlier.