tschmath wrote:
AK Dreamer wrote:
I believe in the case mentioned, the individual's school documents show he attended on a foreign student scholorship, that the individual's birth certificate says he was born in a country that didn't exist at the time of his birth, and that he visited the far east on a passport of a different country other than the U.S. Just a few facts to support the case in question.
"I believe". What a load of c**p. Prove any single thing you allege in your statement. I dare you. It simply cannot be done. Your statement about the foreign student scholarship is a load of c**p. Just check out this link:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/occidental.asp Honestly, I cannot believe this is still being debated. How come no one ever questioned John McCain's citizenship when it was shown he was born in PANAMA!!!! If you don't believe that, check out this link:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/11/us/politics/11mccain.htmlI know I'm going to raise a real firestorm here, but I firmly believe that this whole "birther" thing is about race. John McCain was born in Panama, he gets a free ride. Obama was born in Hawaii, and he's suspect. Hmmmmm......
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I'm not going into a heated debate with you are anyone else on this forum. For you to claim this is a racial issue is pure nonsense and C**P. I find it a personal assault on my integrety. For your information, I am a registered Independent and Constitutionalist and have never voted a straight party line. This will be the first election that I plan to do so.
Regarding McCain, he was born in Panama as a result of his father, a ranking naval officer and natural born citizen, being stationed there which is within the law and the Constitution.
Regarding the individual being talked about here and travel to a foreign country on a foreign passport, here are questions that need to be answered:
Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?
A : Yes, by his own admission.
Q: What passport did he travel under?
A: There are only three possibilities.
1) He traveled with a U.S. Passport,
2) He traveled with a British passport, or
3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.
Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?
A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981.
Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.
If he were traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And if he were traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.
Regarding school records: The group "Americans for Freedom of Information" has Released copies of President Obama's college transcripts from Occidental College .... , the transcript school indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship.
I'd copy his birth certificates (the actual and the fabricated) here that were released but do not know how to do so without printing and then scanning and I don't want to waste my time, and not much more of my breath. The Supreme Court has these documents and I'm sure you can find them on the internet.
All that being said, I wish you well with your beliefs and sincerely hope you'd respect the beliefs of others. We have in our history a civil war that defines what Americans can do to Americans when reasonable people are not permitted to resolve their beliefs and issues in a reasonable manner. God bless America and God save America! Goodbye and Good night!