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Jun 10, 2015 06:38:46   #
ralphc4176 Loc: Conyers, GA
 
I have both APS-C cameras and FF cameras. Unless you are making huge blow-ups, you won't notice the difference between the images/prints from either. If you don't need FF, there's no need to go to the expense (and extra weight) of FF bodies and lenses.

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Jun 10, 2015 06:58:07   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
NO comment.

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Jun 10, 2015 07:36:46   #
MikeMck Loc: Southern Maryland on the Bay
 
Thanks for your comments. I nearly had myself talked into selling my Canon 5D MK III and getting the new 5DS. Now I'm not so sure. I hope this GAS will subside.

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Jun 10, 2015 07:41:51   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
jgreco wrote:
I know this has been pushed around dozens of times. With that said, I purchased a Canon T6s and put it through the ringer at a recent photo shoot and found the crop senor , although compresses the picture, still puts out a high degree of quality. Pictures enclosed. In the old days, the bigger the film, the better the picture. With technology today, these sensors have very little difference in overall quality of final results. I have Canon 6D, T3i and now T6s. The new T6s does stand up to the challenge for sharp, crisp quality results. Maybe it's my old eyes, but I don't see any difference in overall quality. Canon has equipped the T6s with features like a 24.2 Megapixel CMOS Sensor, a DIGIC 6 Image Processor, a top LCD display panel and a Quick Control dial (with locking mechanism), touch screen led display, even a built-in level display.The EOS Rebel T6s comes equipped with built-in Wi-Fi® and NFC and a 19 point focus sensor. So with all that said, judge for yourself and tell me why all the hype for full senors? Because the site limits the size, I can only send the smaller size. Originals are 6-15 meg.
I know this has been pushed around dozens of times... (show quote)


For the example shown here, nothing. However, try making a large print from a smaller sensor camera. Better yet, make a large print of the same scene with a small vs. large sensor.

Since most folks are simply posting to the web, emailing, etc., crop sensor images are fine. I prefer to print my work, the larger the better.
--Bob

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Jun 10, 2015 07:43:58   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
Billyspad wrote:
Im just waiting as well. Taking bets thats a mirrorless man pops up real soon as well!


I'm already here.

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Jun 10, 2015 07:44:39   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
Billyspad wrote:
Im just waiting as well. Taking bets thats a mirrorless man pops up real soon as well!


Here I am - MFT for several years - current professional work - compiling a pictorial travel guide with 60+ photos - size - you've guessed it 4x3!
If I needed bigger (much bigger) I might think bigger - there again I might not! My private albums are 5x7 or 6x4. What I do is about composition, clarity - a word not often used on the Hog, interest and reality. I discovered that 8x10 is too large for comfortable album viewing.
Too many mediocre photographers become pixel peepers and technofads and spend too much on equipment that will not lift them out of their mediocrity.
Someone in this debate said a portrait was out of focus - many portraits are deliberately de-focussed?
Nikanon are laughing all the way to the bank.

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Jun 10, 2015 07:58:14   #
oberuwe Loc: Willowbrook,IL
 
Cdouthitt wrote:
I'm going to sit back with a bowl of popcorn and watch this thread blowup.


Hmm that popcorn is goood.......let see how many pages this will get to.

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Jun 10, 2015 08:39:00   #
picturesofdogs Loc: Dallas, Texas.
 
Mirrorless here too.
Anybody got extra butter?

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Jun 10, 2015 08:51:47   #
authorizeduser Loc: Monroe, Michigan
 
CaptainC wrote:
All the hype for full-frame sensors is because most people THINK they are better. In some ways they are - the more professional-level units are built better to withstand daily use as well as having some additional features.

HOWEVER, I defy anyone to tell a 11x14 print from 10-12 megapixels from a Nikon or Canon from the 24-36 megapixel image from those same Nikons or Canons.

Posting on the web is a meaningless exercise to evaluate image quality, despite all the posts here showing how nice the images are on their new DZX-5698.

For image quality, the ONLY thing that counts is the print.

Now, if you are making 30x40 prints, we can probably make a case for the full-frame D800 or equivalent. There are some valid arguments for the use of wide angle lenses on the full frame.

I do have a D800, but use my 4 year-old D7000 and 7-year old D3 all the time. The D3 and smaller D700 is one of the best cameras ever sold by any manufacturer.

https://fstoppers.com/education/cheap-camera-versus-expensive-camera-part-2-prints-73187
All the hype for full-frame sensors is because mos... (show quote)


My 7 year old Nikon D300 @ 12MP can do a nice 11x14!

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Jun 10, 2015 08:52:44   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
Delderby wrote:
Here I am - MFT for several years - current professional work - compiling a pictorial travel guide with 60+ photos - size - you've guessed it 4x3!
If I needed bigger (much bigger) I might think bigger - there again I might not! My private albums are 5x7 or 6x4. What I do is about composition, clarity - a word not often used on the Hog, interest and reality. I discovered that 8x10 is too large for comfortable album viewing.
Too many mediocre photographers become pixel peepers and technofads and spend too much on equipment that will not lift them out of their mediocrity.
Someone in this debate said a portrait was out of focus - many portraits are deliberately de-focussed?
Nikanon are laughing all the way to the bank.
Here I am - MFT for several years - current profes... (show quote)


I talk about Composition all the time -- ignored most of the time. And yes, portraits are often shot soft or made soft PP. In the film days some photographers put Vaseline on a filter to soften a model's skin. We are not taking medical pathology shots, well most of us aren't anyway.

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Jun 10, 2015 09:07:25   #
lighthouse Loc: No Fixed Abode
 
Delderby wrote:
Here I am - MFT for several years - current professional work - compiling a pictorial travel guide with 60+ photos - size - you've guessed it 4x3!
If I needed bigger (much bigger) I might think bigger - there again I might not! My private albums are 5x7 or 6x4. What I do is about composition, clarity - a word not often used on the Hog, interest and reality. I discovered that 8x10 is too large for comfortable album viewing.
Too many mediocre photographers become pixel peepers and technofads and spend too much on equipment that will not lift them out of their mediocrity.
Someone in this debate said a portrait was out of focus - many portraits are deliberately de-focussed?
Nikanon are laughing all the way to the bank.
Here I am - MFT for several years - current profes... (show quote)

Yes Del, I said it was out of focus.
I'd stop trying to pass yourself off as an expert if I were you Del.
God knows, it took us three years to drag you kicking and screaming backwards out of the SOOC jpg club and now, less than 12 months out of that club and all of a sudden you are a "several years medium format professional" ranting against mediocre pixel peeping photographers???????
http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-192301-1.html
http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-229172-1.html
http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-265510-1.html

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Jun 10, 2015 09:10:00   #
Fotomacher Loc: Toronto
 
Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't. I am using my "twin sisters" - a D300s and a D700. Some outings I take the DX body and sometimes I take the FX body and sometimes I take both. It depends on where I am shooting, and what I want my final images to look like. I shoot RAW and PP with LR 6 and PSE 13. The only answer that makes sense is that the sensor is a matter of personal preference. All sensors have technical merits and deficiencies. The most imortant part of image capture is the nut holding the camera. Any debate is moot and wastes electrons. JMHO.

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Jun 10, 2015 09:18:13   #
jgordon Loc: Boulder CO
 
I wonder what percentage of images are ever printed -- at any size. My gut tells me that the vast percentage of images these days are viewed on computer screens of various sorts. In any event, that is true in my case. For viewing on a screen, image quality differences between full frame and crop frame cameras might not be a very big deal.

In my youth I made black and white prints in a home dark room and loved the process. The largest prints I made then were 11 x14. I have an urge to get back into making prints but I can't image making any larger than 11 x14 at this point because of the limitations on wall space in my house on which to hang new images. So, for me the potential image quality benefits of a full frame camera don't mean much.

Still, based on reading threads like this one, I think I understand that there are other potential distinctions between full frame cameras and those utilizing crop sensors. Depth of field can be effected by changes in perspective and the ability to crop extensively might be impacted. Maybe the ability to utilize higher ISO values could be a distinction. (I hope I got some of that right -- I am definitely not a techie!} And of course, the ability to make giant prints is impacted. But I haven't found those to be deal breakers for the photography I have done so far.

So here is my not very astounding conclusion: If the use of crop frame camera is getting the job done satisfactorily for a particular photographer, it is a fine tool for the job.

And yet, we all seem to be attracted to threads like this one. Why is that?

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Jun 10, 2015 09:18:30   #
WAL
 
If sensor size doesn’t have a relation to image quality why not just stay with point and shoot cameras?
The variables make these comparisons meaningless.

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Jun 10, 2015 09:32:32   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
Heck, 99% of my stuff is shot with a canon g10 and it is just fine. I go to street fairs and see all these photos of stuff no one buys printed as big as billboards and say to myself: That photographer needs a good art appreciation course and about a year's worth of courses in composing a shot!

I don't print anymore just send stuff via the magic machine so that the family can put what they want on their cell phones!



CaptainC wrote:
Me too. Cannot wait to see all the casual shooters who seldom print anything larger than 8x10 justify their D600/D800.

There is certainly nothing wrong with having a camera that requires a new computer and eats up storage, but if it was purchased because one thought the images would be markedly better....

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