jgreco Loc: Orlando, FL

I know this has been pushed around dozens of times. With that said, I purchased a Canon T6s and put it through the ringer at a recent photo shoot and found the crop senor , although compresses the picture, still puts out a high degree of quality. Pictures enclosed. In the old days, the bigger the film, the better the picture. With technology today, these sensors have very little difference in overall quality of final results. I have Canon 6D, T3i and now T6s. The new T6s does stand up to the challenge for sharp, crisp quality results. Maybe it's my old eyes, but I don't see any difference in overall quality. Canon has equipped the T6s with features like a 24.2 Megapixel CMOS Sensor, a DIGIC 6 Image Processor, a top LCD display panel and a Quick Control dial (with locking mechanism), touch screen led display, even a built-in level display.The EOS Rebel T6s comes equipped with built-in Wi-Fi® and NFC and a 19 point focus sensor. So with all that said, judge for yourself and tell me why all the hype for full senors? Because the site limits the size, I can only send the smaller size. Originals are 6-15 meg.

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CaptainC Loc: Colorado, south of Denver

All the hype for full-frame sensors is because most people THINK they are better. In some ways they are - the more professional-level units are built better to withstand daily use as well as having some additional features.

HOWEVER, I defy anyone to tell a 11x14 print from 10-12 megapixels from a Nikon or Canon from the 24-36 megapixel image from those same Nikons or Canons.

Posting on the web is a meaningless exercise to evaluate image quality, despite all the posts here showing how nice the images are on their new DZX-5698.

For image quality, the ONLY thing that counts is the print.

Now, if you are making 30x40 prints, we can probably make a case for the full-frame D800 or equivalent. There are some valid arguments for the use of wide angle lenses on the full frame.

I do have a D800, but use my 4 year-old D7000 and 7-year old D3 all the time. The D3 and smaller D700 is one of the best cameras ever sold by any manufacturer.

https://fstoppers.com/education/cheap-camera-versus-expensive-camera-part-2-prints-73187

Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI

I'm going to sit back with a bowl of popcorn and watch this thread blowup.

ebbote Loc: Hockley, Texas

J., I think your pictures are very good, just a tad soft on the
focus, which I think it is more the lens than sensor size. I
just got rid of my Canon T4i and with my 28-135 USM lens
took exceptionally sharp pictures. My other lenses, well to
be frank, they looked like yours or worse.

CaptainC Loc: Colorado, south of Denver

Me too. Cannot wait to see all the casual shooters who seldom print anything larger than 8x10 justify their D600/D800.

There is certainly nothing wrong with having a camera that requires a new computer and eats up storage, but if it was purchased because one thought the images would be markedly better....

Photocraig

To conflate three threads, I've assigned myself a project for the next 6 monts to use what I've got. All the skills and techniques I've learned since Eisenhower was President and I was shooting my High School events with an Argus C-4- no meter, no range finder to make the best images I can with wnat I've got. Now I may sneak in a lens to go wide on my crop sensor 15 MP EOS 50D, but otherwise I'll be shooting, writing and hopefully photoblogging GAS FREE until Christmas.

Now, if a really good deal on an EOS 5D or 5DII or a 6D comes by, and I can scrape the pennis together, then maybe to go wide for my landscapes and interiors, I'll go full frame. But I'm thrilled with my moderate HDR and Panoramic Lightroom work in this area. WOW! We'd have been paining opaque masking on tiny negatives all weekend to even try to get what I did with a few bracketed shots and a few mouse clicks.

But as I posted on a thread about Manual Settings, we overthink this stuff. It is an art. It is all about what is visualized 12" behind the lens and how to trust and manipulate the camera is to capture it.

And Captain, it is all about getting those lovely models and clients to look and smile just right so we can keep our pledge to make 'em look gorgeous!

Thanks for your very credible insight.

Gotta go, sun's up at 5:15 or so tomorrow morning.
C

RichardTaylor Loc: Sydney, Australia

From personal experienc shooting with older full frame (Canon 5D) and crop bodies (Canon 40D) the real noticable differences are at very high ISO values.

lighthouse Loc: No Fixed Abode

There is no disputing that the current range of crop sensor cameras are capable of taking good images.
But to post 3 photos in isolation without comparing them to what the comtemporary full frame camera would achieve of the exact same scene is not correct scientific method.
It means nothing.
Absolutely nothing at all, nothing whatsoever.
Now just to comment on deficiencies in the images posted that "may" be due your camera.
The first image is out of focus.
The second image has had noise control enacted in an overzealous way.
The third image suffers from obvious pattern noise.
Would you have had these issues with a contemporary full frame? I don't know.
Are there situations where the contemporary full frame camera handles the light and conditions better than a crop sensor camera? I believe there are.
Have I seen people change from crop to full frame and been able to see an immediate noticeable improvement in their photography? Yes I have.
Yes, a crop frame camera can take great photos.
And a full frame one in the same hands can take better.

jgreco Loc: Orlando, FL

As I stated above, I knew this was going to hit some hard comparing Full and cropped. But the fact be it said, may really be in the software used to enhance a photo such as Photo Shop. My position on cameras (digital) is most of them do take good pictures, I'm not talking cheap little camera's (digital) with some better than others slightly in quality. Almost no one can say they have taken a perfect picture straight out of the camera and sold it. Yes there may be some here who have do so a few times, but for the most part full frame vs crop may be over-hyped for the purpose of justifying the cost.The difference between the 2 are so minute one must ask "Is it worth the price". Yes, I have Canon 6D and I love it, but if I print a 30*40 from both camera's, it would be hard to tell the difference after using software to sharpen, smooth and enhance a photo. I am only saying, the difference is very very small between the types of sensors without modifying it in some way with software. OK Let the battle begin!!!!!

lighthouse Loc: No Fixed Abode

It doesn't hit hard.
It's all a bit humdrum and irrelevant really.
A crop sensor does Ok for you? Use one then and be happy. No problems.
You need the greater dynamic range for your style of shooting and a full frame works for you? Yep, all good there too.
You need 10 frames per sec and theres a couple of models that do that and you have one of them? Yep all happy there as well.
There are differences.
So use "horses for courses". No problems.
Just don't try to pretend that the differences don't exist, and post photos that mean nothing, in your efforts to prove it.

n3eg Loc: West coast USA

With our double-crop sensors, we can still blow up...

Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI

Surprised that it hasn't hit 21 pages of name calling ;-)

CaptainC Loc: Colorado, south of Denver

It's early.

SteveR Loc: Michigan

Where did you get the idea that a crop sensor compresses the picture?

Billyspad Loc: The Philippines

Im just waiting as well. Taking bets thats a mirrorless man pops up real soon as well!