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Dec 1, 2014 11:03:23   #
JPL
 
SharpShooter wrote:
td, I keep hearing , mostly from the more militant opposition, that Canon has nothing new, no innovation, yet for the last 20 years, as Canon goes, so goes the entire industry.
Take a good look at your camera, any brand, what do they all look like?! They are ALL ergo shaped black plastic with a grip. Where did that come from? From the Canon T-90 almost 30 years ago!
IS/VR, the electronic coupler, focus motors in the lenses, those are BIG innovation. Auto focus video, people have been wishing for that since dslr video emerged.
When nikon finally implements it, Canon will be on to using the second generation AF.
Obviously, DR is great, but it's NOT the game changer many think it is. The best DR is like a band-aid compared to HDR! :lol:
The car with the biggest motor isn't necessarily the fasted one around the racetrack. Drivers being equal, it's the car that does everything really well that gets around the racetrack fastest and wins. That's what Canons do quite well.
It's no wonder there are more Canons on 500px!

Yes, that junky little 7dmkll with the noisy sensor and crappy DR is going to shoot circles around every other crop camera made.
Canon has probably already sold more of them than any single model of any other brand model made today and they've only been out a month today! :lol:
But some of the other camps will keep on badmouthing it. Can you spell j-e-a-l-o........:lol: :lol:
SS
td, I keep hearing , mostly from the more militant... (show quote)


Oh, what a misunderstanding!! Do you really not know that people have to buy so many Canons because the lifspan of them is so short. We who buy Nikon are much happier with our cameras and we can use them many years more than a Canon bought at the same time. There fore we need not as many cameras as Canon people. Of course this is bad for Nikon and good for Canon. But good for Nikon customers and bad for Canon customers. Maybe Canon will add flash to the next upgrade of the 5D. since they try to be a leader in camera technology :-D

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Dec 1, 2014 11:11:08   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
JPL wrote:
Oh, what a misunderstanding!! Do you really not know that people have to buy so many Canons because the lifspan of them is so short. We who buy Nikon are much happier with our cameras and we can use them many years more than a Canon bought at the same time. There fore we need not as many cameras as Canon people. Of course this is bad for Nikon and good for Canon. But good for Nikon customers and bad for Canon customers. Maybe Canon will add flash to the next upgrade of the 5D. since they try to be a leader in camera technology :-D
Oh, what a misunderstanding!! Do you really not kn... (show quote)


I understand at last!!! Nikon users have low expectations and not desire to progress!!! I did not know that!! Thanks for clearing it up!

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Dec 1, 2014 11:25:52   #
GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City
 
dsmeltz wrote:
I understand at last!!! Nikon users have low expectations and not desire to progress!!! I did not know that!! Thanks for clearing it up!

I think it comes down to some Canon users being insecure in their choice of cameras and feel the need to recruit others to join them. (Lemmings?)
Nikon users don't give a rats ass which camera anyone uses.
...unwatch....

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Dec 1, 2014 11:29:29   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
SharpShooter wrote:
td, I keep hearing , mostly from the more militant opposition, that Canon has nothing new, no innovation, yet for the last 20 years, as Canon goes, so goes the entire industry.
Take a good look at your camera, any brand, what do they all look like?! They are ALL ergo shaped black plastic with a grip. Where did that come from? From the Canon T-90 almost 30 years ago!
IS/VR, the electronic coupler, focus motors in the lenses, those are BIG innovation. Auto focus video, people have been wishing for that since dslr video emerged.
When nikon finally implements it, Canon will be on to using the second generation AF.
Obviously, DR is great, but it's NOT the game changer many think it is. The best DR is like a band-aid compared to HDR! :lol:
The car with the biggest motor isn't necessarily the fasted one around the racetrack. Drivers being equal, it's the car that does everything really well that gets around the racetrack fastest and wins. That's what Canons do quite well.
It's no wonder there are more Canons on 500px!

Yes, that junky little 7dmkll with the noisy sensor and crappy DR is going to shoot circles around every other crop camera made.
Canon has probably already sold more of them than any single model of any other brand model made today and they've only been out a month today! :lol:
But some of the other camps will keep on badmouthing it. Can you spell j-e-a-l-o........:lol: :lol:
SS
td, I keep hearing , mostly from the more militant... (show quote)


I understand now , wow you must have a good camera ;)

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Dec 1, 2014 12:00:28   #
Peekayoh Loc: UK
 
Peekayoh wrote:
I checked on 500px and the
first in popularity was taken with a Nikon D700
second in popularity was taken with a Sony A99
third in popularity was taken with a Canon 60D

it means nothing really.
tdekany wrote:
When I posted, 4 out of 6 were canons, but that is not the point. The point is, that if one isn't told what camera was used, most couldn't guess the makes.
The point is that you don't know the skill of the photographer or the PP used.

The point is that web sized images tell you very little about the image and at that size, a Smart Phone image can look as good as that from a DSLR.

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Dec 1, 2014 12:02:54   #
Peekayoh Loc: UK
 
SharpShooter wrote:
td, I keep hearing , mostly from the more militant opposition, that Canon has nothing new, no innovation, yet for the last 20 years, as Canon goes, so goes the entire industry.
Ok SS, I get it, you're in love with Canon but they do say that love is blind. We all know and accept that Canon led the way in Digital Technology which is how they attained the No.1 spot but the trick is to retain that position. That's becomes problematic when it's clear that the opposition, largely because of Sony's superior Sensor Technology, is doing a better job. It may be that with their next Sensor, Canon will skip ahead of the competition and retrieve the situation, we'll have to wait and see but in the meantime, things in the Canon camp are less than perfect. Household names have been known to fade into obscurity when they lose the plot.

Taking some of your points in order .....

SharpShooter wrote:
Take a good look at your camera, any brand, what do they all look like?! They are ALL ergo shaped black plastic with a grip. Where did that come from? From the Canon T-90 almost 30 years ago!
So, what about the Minolta 7000i (Maxuum 7000), the world's first AF SLR which preceded the Canon T-90 and has that familiar shape of which you boast.

SharpShooter wrote:
IS/VR, the electronic coupler, focus motors in the lenses, those are BIG innovation.
These are not big innovations, they are refinements of existing tech. In any case, I would argue that IBIS is a better solution, in camera focus motors extend the life of our older lenses and that Sony provides both. We all have electronic coupling, just implemented in different ways.

SharpShooter wrote:
Auto focus video, people have been wishing for that since dslr video emerged. When nikon finally implements it, Canon will be on to using the second generation AF.
Who cares about Video. Still, if you do, it seems clear that Sony has better AF in Video mode.

SharpShooter wrote:
Obviously, DR is great, but it's NOT the game changer many think it is. The best DR is like a band-aid compared to HDR! :lol:
Oh right! Canon lags behind in DR so all of a sudden DR is not important. Nice footwork SS even if you did add a :lol:!

SharpShooter wrote:
The car with the biggest motor isn't necessarily the fasted one around the racetrack. Drivers being equal, it's the car that does everything really well that gets around the racetrack fastest and wins. That's what Canons do quite well. It's no wonder there are more Canons on 500px!
Is that an admission that Canon is not the best in all departments? There are more Canon pics on 500px because there are more Canon cameras out there; that's the result of being No.1 for so long.

SharpShooter wrote:
Yes, that junky little 7dmkll with the noisy sensor and crappy DR is going to shoot circles around every other crop camera made. Canon has probably already sold more of them than any single model of any other brand model made today and they've only been out a month today! :lol: But some of the other camps will keep on badmouthing it. Can you spell j-e-a-l-o........:lol: :lol: SS
Sound just like Fanboy commentary to me. It's not bad mouthing to point out that the Sensor in the 7D MkII can't even match the Sensor in the Sony A6000 at a quarter of the price and I think the A6000 AF does quite well too. Come to that the 7D MkII Sensor can't match that of the A77 dating back to 2011. If the brand new 7D MkII were such a superior beast, surely it should comfortably best the budget priced A6000 in all departments!

I'm not saying the 7D MkII is a terrible camera nor that you can't take good shots with it and neither am I saying that Brand Loyalty is wrong. We all have our share of that but to be blind to the advantages of the competition or the disadvantages of your own choice is downright silly.

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Dec 1, 2014 12:24:20   #
ptcanon3ti Loc: NJ
 
Sharpshooter- Your over zealous proselytizing for canon probably has the opposite effect on anyone who is pondering which camera brand to try.

Seriously - give it a rest for a while.

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Dec 1, 2014 12:42:25   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
GoofyNewfie wrote:


(Lemmings?)

...unwatch....


:lol: :lol: Goofy, I fully understand your hesitancy and questioning the use of the word, "lemmings"!
As with cameras, the lines are getting blurred. But just like cameras, I'm pretty sure it was decided recently that the lemmings(nikon users) ceded their #1 standing to the "lemurs"(Canon users).
Yes, there was a post about the lemurs recently. :lol:

But........, "unwatch",........????!!!!
Come on Goofy, stay around and play a while!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
SS

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Dec 1, 2014 12:47:30   #
Nikon_DonB Loc: Chicago
 
GoofyNewfie wrote:
I think it comes down to some Canon users being insecure in their choice of cameras and feel the need to recruit others to join them. (Lemmings?)
Nikon users don't give a rats ass which camera anyone uses.
...unwatch....


Very Well Put G. When you(we) have the best $crew the rest.!

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Dec 1, 2014 13:03:21   #
wj cody Loc: springfield illinois
 
SharpShooter wrote:
:lol: :lol: Goofy, I fully understand your hesitancy and questioning the use of the word, "lemmings"!
As with cameras, the lines are getting blurred. But just like cameras, I'm pretty sure it was decided recently that the lemmings(nikon users) ceded their #1 standing to the "lemurs"(Canon users).
Yes, there was a post about the lemurs recently. :lol:

But........, "unwatch",........????!!!!
Come on Goofy, stay around and play a while!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
SS
:lol: :lol: Goofy, I fully understand your hesi... (show quote)


and i do believe that my leicas ceded their #1 and #2 standing to canon and nikon about 60 years ago - of course, we do know which is be superior instrument with the superior lenses, don't we?

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Dec 1, 2014 15:41:57   #
pithydoug Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
 
JPL wrote:
Maybe Canon will add flash to the next upgrade of the 5D. since they try to be a leader in camera technology :-D


What, add a built-in flash? That's like puling an outhouse with a Lexus. For those that like frontal light there is a perfectly good hot shoe or you can have a pile of external off camera lights for the serious shots.

Reminds me more of buying a $2,000 mountain bike and putting a kickstand on it. :) :)

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Dec 1, 2014 16:01:17   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
RichardSM wrote:
Here's a site from 2013 that gives some insight in to market share see below.
http://journal.phottix.com/camera-news/canon-dominated-dslr-market-2013-2/

Hopefully by early next year 2015 will have the stats again on what company Holds the top market share for 2014?
So the side story is that Sony is losing ground in DSLR but gaining ground in MILC, and Pentax (does Ricoh make any DSLR under their own name?) is a distant third. To really understand all this, we would also need to know how the different segments of the market are changing size, including the rangefinders (don't want to ignore Leica!!) and medium format.

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Dec 1, 2014 16:21:51   #
JPL
 
pithydoug wrote:
What, add a built-in flash? That's like puling an outhouse with a Lexus. For those that like frontal light there is a perfectly good hot shoe or you can have a pile of external off camera lights for the serious shots.

Reminds me more of buying a $2,000 mountain bike and putting a kickstand on it. :) :)


Lexus has lights and wheels like all other cars. But Canon lacks some of the things other cameras have. I was looking for a 36 mpx camera some days ago. Canon had none. Many things missing from Canon. No doubt the canons are good for what they can do. But they do not fulfill my needs.

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Dec 1, 2014 16:33:12   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
pithydoug wrote:


Reminds me more of buying a $2,000 mountain bike and putting a kickstand on it. :) :)

P, actually, a kickstand would be right at home on a $2000 mtb.
Just don't put the kickstand on a NICE bike!!! :lol: :lol:
SS

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Dec 1, 2014 17:26:30   #
JPL
 
dsmeltz wrote:
I understand at last!!! Nikon users have low expectations and not desire to progress!!! I did not know that!! Thanks for clearing it up!


No, no, you did not understand at last, have to try one more time. I like to have flash on my camera, I like to have advanced flash control in my camera, I like to have high resolution in my camera, at least 24 mpx and sometimes more. I like to be able to use all my old lenses on my new cameras. All this and more is possible with Nikon Dslr since many years ago but still not possible with Canon. I also wanted to try the new trend in camera tech so I bought last year a Nikon 1J2 and very happy with that one and have ordered a Sony A7r, 36 mpx camera with electronic viewfinder, focus peaking, focus magnifier etc. It is a very compact full frame camera with lot of interesting new features. I can use my old and new Nikon lenses with it or buy Sony lenses if I prefer. This is the smallest high resolution quality camera made today. And the price is a bargain. Canon has nothing that compares with this camera except for the one missing thing, the in camera flash. Nikon has the Df, with less resolution and the D810 which is much bigger and much more expensive but also in some ways a better camera. I am a camera gear freak and buy lot of camera stuff every year. The only reason I have not bought any Canon dslr is that I have not found one with any interesting or new features that I have not already bought with other cameras from other manufacturers before Canon had them.

But of course it is ok and good that Canon users are happy with their choice, Canon is just not offering anything interesting for me. I am just looking more forward in camera tech than Canon users and that is ok. Not everyone is making their choices for the same reasons.

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