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Oct 29, 2014 16:21:54   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
pixelwars wrote:


My only issue with some of the mirrorless cameras is that they are too small to get a good grip on.


RRS BOEM1 Arca-Swiss camera plate and/or HLD-7 powergrip solve that problem with the EM1.

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Oct 29, 2014 16:45:48   #
Kuzano
 
It could be your locale. I moved to Coeur d'Alene in 1968. Transfer on the job. It seemed to me that everything in Northern Idaho was less sharp, as if a bit out of focus.

After about three month, I went to the Department of Motor Vehicles to get my drivers license changed. They wouldn't give me a license until I went to get my eyes checked. I did and went back with my new eye glasses, and "aced" the test. I drove home with my new license.

I stepped out on the patio, and I recall shouting back to my wife in the apartment.... "My God, those trees across the street have distinctly separate leaves!!!!" A comment I will carry to my grave.

From that moment forward, everybody in Northern Idaho seemed distinctly sharper.

My new eyeglasses were in fact mirrorless, and they did rest on the bridge of my nose. But I tend to think of mirrorless camera's, OR EVIL camera's (Electronic Viewfinder Interchangeable lens) as only those camera's with 4/3, APSc, and Full Frame sensors.

Of those, I think of 4/3 Olympus and Fujifilm X series cameras as inherently sharper image capture. Olympus because of the removal of the AA filter in the recent past, and Fujifilm because the X-CMOS sensor does not use or require any Low Pass AA filtering, which is the bane of sharpness at the camera level. After that, it's lens quality and photographic technique as far as sharpness is measured.

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Oct 29, 2014 16:48:45   #
craggycrossers Loc: Robin Hood Country, UK
 
tita1948 wrote:
If you don't have the lens racked out to a ridicules length is there a mirrorless camera that takes tack sharp photos? So far what I have seen leaves me unimpressed. Everything always looks soft.

I hope someone can prove me wrong because I really want one :-)


Tita - I can't understand why contributors to your post don't just SHOW you what you're looking for ..... Fuji X-E1 + XF 35mm f1.4 ....... Q.E.D.

English "brogues"
English "brogues"...
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Oct 29, 2014 16:50:29   #
GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City
 
craggycrossers wrote:
Tita - I can't understand why contributors to your post don't just SHOW you what you're looking for ..... Fuji X-E1 + XF 35mm f1.4 ....... Q.E.D.


I can smell the leather!

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Oct 29, 2014 16:53:34   #
Kuzano
 
GoofyNewfie wrote:
The film simulations with Fuji cameras are pretty awesome.
They know a thing or two about color.
Out of all the camera makers out there today, Fuji is the only company that makes film too, and some damn good film at that. I still use a Fuji S5pro for studio portraits and just use jpeg.
Skin tones are fantastic.

They also made professional medium and large-format cameras and lenses. I fell in love with my X-E1- the ergonomics got me first, build and image quality are impressive.
Little known fact: they also made the Hasselblad X-pan.
The film simulations with Fuji cameras are pretty ... (show quote)


Have had a number of the Fujifilm SxPro models, a 1, two 2's, three 3's, and three 5's.

My new X-E1 arrives tomorrow. Have used Fujica, and Fujifilm Medium format, and Fujinon large format lenses for years. I think Fujica translated means "If you drop this, it's sharp enough to cut off your dick without feeling a thing, or Dreadfully Sharp!!"

I expect my Fujifilm X-E1 to be at least that sharp.

:XD:

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Oct 29, 2014 16:53:55   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
craggycrossers wrote:
Tita - I can't understand why contributors to your post don't just SHOW you what you're looking for ..... Fuji X-E1 + XF 35mm f1.4 ....... Q.E.D.


Oh fine...be sensical why don't cha! :)
Here's a little running action. EM1 and 75mm


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Oct 29, 2014 16:55:54   #
pixelwars
 
True, or the battery grip.

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Oct 29, 2014 17:04:23   #
G Brown Loc: Sunny Bognor Regis West Sussex UK
 
My Sony a65 lets you zoom in to focus before shooting, but it only works with Jpeg like most of its 'gizmo's' Nevertheless it takes a great Sony sharp picture in Raw too but thats at normal view in the viewfinder

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Oct 29, 2014 17:08:06   #
craggycrossers Loc: Robin Hood Country, UK
 
Cdouthitt wrote:
Oh fine...be sensical why don't cha! :)
Here's a little running action. EM1 and 75mm


Hey Clint ! I'm "in the old country" and really don't understand the word "sensical" - it's not even mentioned in The Oxford English Dictionary ! Nice photo, but don't really understand your point - is the question about "sharpness in action"? - your system works well for you - fantastic - mine for me - why worry? Tita will make up her own mind !

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Oct 29, 2014 17:26:39   #
brrywill
 
tita1948 wrote:
If you don't have the lens racked out to a ridicules length is there a mirrorless camera that takes tack sharp photos? So far what I have seen leaves me unimpressed. Everything always looks soft.

I hope someone can prove me wrong because I really want one :-)


I'm not sure what you are looking for. I shoot Nikon and Canon full frame cameras, but also use Olympus and Fuji for less size and weight. I find the smaller cameras to be just as sharp as the larger ones, sometimes with even better depth of field due to the shorter focal length of the smaller lenses.

I can see an argument, perhaps, for greater enlargeability from the larger sensors, just like larger negatives tend to produce better large prints. You might also notice a few more intermediate tones with the larger sensors, but sharpness should not be an issue. I've attached two photos taken with my Fuji X-T1 and 23mm f1.4 lens. I doubt you would see better sharpness with the larger cameras. Taken with natural window light.

X-T1, 23mm f1.4
X-T1, 23mm f1.4...

X-T1, 23mm f1.4
X-T1, 23mm f1.4...

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Oct 29, 2014 17:50:04   #
dmsM43
 
I've been using Panasonic and Olympus mirrorless cameras for the last 4 years. Very light weight and compact. I have no issues with sharpness of the Panasonic lenses that I use, or my old Canon FD lenses that I also use on my mirrorless cameras. In fact, the reason I got into mirrorless cameras, is because I had a closet full of Canon FD glass in my closet. Now I can finally use those lenses. Here are a couple of examples. The first one is a crop of the full image and taken with a manual focus 400mm lens handheld. The second one was taken with the Panasonic 14-45mm kit lens on a tripod. And I also don't post full res files, but I think that you can see that there are no problems with the capabilities of the cameras or lenses, if the photographer does his or her part.





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Oct 29, 2014 18:57:07   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
craggycrossers wrote:
Hey Clint ! I'm "in the old country" and really don't understand the word "sensical" - it's not even mentioned in The Oxford English Dictionary ! Nice photo, but don't really understand your point - is the question about "sharpness in action"? - your system works well for you - fantastic - mine for me - why worry? Tita will make up her own mind !


It was tounge and cheek, as in, you made a valid point. We should show images from mirrorless that show sharpness. In my case the kids we moving quickly at me and I was still able to get a sharp photo.

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Oct 29, 2014 19:15:54   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
tita1948 wrote:
If you don't have the lens racked out to a ridicules length is there a mirrorless camera that takes tack sharp photos? So far what I have seen leaves me unimpressed. Everything always looks soft.

I hope someone can prove me wrong because I really want one :-)

All of the Fuji X-series cameras have very high, excellent image quality!! But so have many others.

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Oct 29, 2014 21:04:03   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
pixelwars wrote:
There is nothing inherent in a mirrorless design that will inhibit sharpness, but there are advantages in eliminating the mirror box. First there is the mechanical precision required to align the mirror and ground glass focusing screen so that they are in identical focus and the autofocus is spot on. Then there are the constraints the mirror box forces on lens designs. I was talking to an Olympus techie about the challenges in bending the light for the very wide 7-14 for the E-series. His comment was: bending the light was not the hard part, straightening it out was.
My only issue with some of the mirrorless cameras is that they are too small to get a good grip on.
There is nothing inherent in a mirrorless design t... (show quote)


That is why the 4/3rds system do not necessarily need software to decrease the amount of vignetting in the corners. The exiting rear element of most 4/3rds lenses are 25mm which is the same size as the image circle. For most full frame (if not all), the body's lense mount prevents the full frame lense from having a 48mm rear element. Straighting up the light sents it straight into the tube like pixels instead of at an angle. This helps to prevent the loss of light at the pixel.

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Oct 30, 2014 03:49:49   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
dmsM43 wrote:
I've been using Panasonic and Olympus mirrorless cameras for the last 4 years. Very light weight and compact. I have no issues with sharpness of the Panasonic lenses that I use, or my old Canon FD lenses that I also use on my mirrorless cameras. In fact, the reason I got into mirrorless cameras, is because I had a closet full of Canon FD glass in my closet. Now I can finally use those lenses. Here are a couple of examples. The first one is a crop of the full image and taken with a manual focus 400mm lens handheld. The second one was taken with the Panasonic 14-45mm kit lens on a tripod. And I also don't post full res files, but I think that you can see that there are no problems with the capabilities of the cameras or lenses, if the photographer does his or her part.
I've been using Panasonic and Olympus mirrorless c... (show quote)


A couple of years or so ago the Panasonic MFT 14-45mm was voted the best kit lens ever. Certainly it is sharper than the 14-42mm that followed, which also received accolades. It was Panasonic's first ever MFT lens - so they had to make it good - as they did with the original G1 camera eight years ago. 14-45s are still available, but getting harder to find. :-)

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