tferstl Loc: Belton, Texas

For $80 bucks, check out what Pro X7 Ultimate will do here:
http://img.paintshoppro.com/en/pdf/pspx7-compare-chart.pdf

Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)

Off topic - OP was asking specifically about Photoshop and/or Lightroom.

No, it is not equal to Lightroom. For openers, finding a file is a chore since there is no catalog in PSP. Also, it is really slow. Otherwise it is ok. Their raw converter is better than it used to be, but it has a long way to go before it catches up to LR/ACR, Capture One or DXO.

flyguy Loc: Las Cruces, New Mexico

I have them both and find them invaluable --- plus I have onOne Perfect Photo Suite too.

I say go for it if you're really serious and passionate about photography.

Thombar Loc: Hominy, OK

You should definitely consider signing up for the Photoshop CC, Creative Cloud deal. It's a subscription service @ $9.99 per month and gives you both Photoshop CC & Lightroom. You even have 30 days to try it out and can cancel if you don't like it. That way you can decide if you want to stay with it beyond the year or not. It's a great deal, IMHO.

Crwiwy Loc: Devon UK

I use Lightroom all the time and Photoshop Elements for extra tweeking and artistic work.

Photoshop I consider to be like MS Word - 95% of people only use about 20% of the functions! Added to that - for less than £100 I have good software that I own and can use for many years whereas Photoshop would cost me more that that each year and there are probably little or no functions on it that I would use and that is not included in Elements.

You can get 30 day trials of Lightroom and Elements so you can make your own mind up. :thumbup:

Mark7829 Loc: Calfornia

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mborn Loc: Massachusetts

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And you can get both for $10/mo

studavis

In my mind it's how much work you need to do to fix your picture. IN the days of slide film you could not fix or crop. What you to is what you got. Sports pictures have less work than say wedding pictures.

MtnMan Loc: ID

OK, this is the second one so the devil made me do this.

You both mean complement. That means they add to each other. Compliment means they tell each other they are good programs or something. Oh for our educations system.

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MtnMan Loc: ID

Yes...someone who knows English!

And also knows the software.

The main thing I like about Lightroom is the ability to easily make and apply Presets and to make the same adjustments on numerous images by Synching. I don't know how to do the latter in Photoshop but know there is a bit more complex way to do the first with Actions. Anyhow this makes RAW processing a breeze with Lightroom.

MtnMan Loc: ID

In the U.S. you can get Elements on sale from time to time for $50. The Elements Organizer is like "Lightroom light" (although nearly as strong on cataloging) and the Editor like "Photoshop Light". Adobe Camera RAW, included with Elements, does many of the editing functions of Lightroom on RAW images.

But you cannot make "Actions" of "Presets" with Elements. Thus doing changes to a number of images at the same time with it is very limited.

flyguy Loc: Las Cruces, New Mexico

To my mind it's not fixing a picture --- it's enhancing what it already there. Ansel Adams spent hour upon hour in the dark room (sometimes taking as much as 10 years) dodging and burning and reprinting images to bring out the beauty of a scene.

dcampbell52 Loc: Clearwater Fl

Yes and while I am no expert, Lightroom is nondestructive so you can edit and re-edit your images without destroying or you can easily return to the original and Photoshop is changing and editing the bits in the photo (you can and I do make copies before you make changes in PS but it is permanent to the file. LR makes it very easy to make duplicates to use in PS also. As you said they both COMPLIMENT and Complement each other... they play nicely together too.

Mark7829 Loc: Calfornia

So what I am hearing in this chat is, I don't use PS and therefore it is not necessary. If you knew PS, (and not just one thing) really knew, you would be using it all the time. In fact a survey from one UH member said that 65% of all professional photographers use Photoshop exclusively. There is nothing in LR that Adobe Camera Raw can not do for image optimization. My plugins like NIK and TOPAZ are in PS, easily accessible and reversible/non-destructive. I bring all of my images into PS as a "smart-object" a simple selection in ACR and anything that I do in PS is reversible including all the enhancements I do with NIK and TOPAZ. All of my best images are saved as a psd file. In a month or year later and if I wanted to tone down any of the effects, I can return to the file and change any of the NIK or TOPAZ setting, including all of the PS and ARC adjustments I made as there is a bonded link between ACR and PS with smart objects. I don't have to import or export anything or worry about a lost link.

PS provides the finest tools for image optimization - bar none. It also provides a great number of creative options to take your hobby or profession to new heights and many functions and features such as focus stacking, blending, content aware tools and image resize not available in LR.

If all you want is pancakes great but if you want syrup, butter, blueberries, and whipped cream you will have to find another restaurant.

TheDman Loc: USA

Photoshop only makes 'permanent' edits if you want it to. If you don't, you can place all your edits on layers and work non-destructively, giving you the ability to go back and change any particular edit at any time.