Does God exist?? (Page 35): Amen, Amen, Amen!!!! :thumbup: :thumbup:...

Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas

GW wrote:

I've had too many miracles in my life not to believe in God ...miracles that there was no possible explanation for but God...All I can say is you may swear there is no heaven but you better pray there isn't any Hell...(mmm...heard that somewhere before....

Amen, Amen, Amen!!!! :thumbup: :thumbup:

James Shaw

Penny MG wrote:

You must remember God have us free will. He doesn't want to "force" anyone to love or believe in him. I am sure that God would prefer the "gang members, rapists, murderers, etc" to believe in him and change their ways instead of bringing grief into the world.

God did not give all of us free will! Just ask an institutionalized, severely mentally retarded individual if he/she accepts Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and watch him/her stare back at you with a blank face, expressing that he/she knows nothing about what you ask.

And please don't respond with the old standby adages that God has special plans for those kinds of people. Or their condition was caused by a serpent devil.

NeilL Loc: British-born Canadian

James Shaw wrote:

God did not give all of us free will! Just ask an institutionalized, severely mentally retarded individual if he/she accepts Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and watch him/her stare back at you with a blank face, expressing that he/she knows nothing about what you ask.

And please don't respond with the old standby adages that God has special plans for those kinds of people. Or their condition was caused by a serpent devil.

That is an asinine statement, a total non sequitur. Did God tell you this?

James Shaw

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James Shaw wrote:
But, yet, God strikes men dead without man even asking him to do so. The evidence is replete throughout the Bible.

Not only does God kill, but God orders other men to kill his human creations as well.

taffthetooth wrote:

James, please give the context for what you said God has done, don't grab stuff out of the Bible without trying to understand the context.

Taffthetooth, if you know the Bible and read all that its states, then you know what I have said above is true. I do not need your justifications for what I know the Bible clearly states that God has done. And neither does God need for you to justify what he has done. It is stated plainly and simply in the Bible.

James Shaw

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James Shaw wrote:
God did not give all of us free will! Just ask an institutionalized, severely mentally retarded individual if he/she accepts Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and watch him/her stare back at you with a blank face, expressing that he/she knows nothing about what you ask.

And please don't respond with the old standby adages that God has special plans for those kinds of people. Or their condition was caused by a serpent devil.

NeilL wrote:

That is an asinine statement, a total non sequitur. Did God tell you this?

Penny mentioned "free will" and I responded to the free will part of her post. So, I say, my response is a sequitur to her post, but you felt the need to call it an "asinine statement, a total non sequitur."

And by the way why would a-God give "free will" to all, including to those who haven't a clue as to what "free will" actually means? Free will is an ongoing, continuous philosophical debate. Christians have their version.

NeilL Loc: British-born Canadian

James Shaw wrote:

Penny mentioned "free will" and I responded to the free will part of her post. So, I say, my response is a sequitur to her post, but you felt the need to call it an "asinine statement, a total non sequitur."

And by the way why would a-God give "free will" to all, including to those who haven't a clue as to what "free will" actually means? Free will is an ongoing, continuous philosophical debate. Christians have their version.

We are free to make our own choice, and not to suffer the arrogance of people like you.

Canonuser Loc: UK and South Africa

steve40 wrote:

1 Cor, 1:26 For you see your calling, brethren, th... (show quote)

I think the above response really does support the research outcome, that intelligence testing constantly and invariably shows that believers don't score as high in them as non believers, who therefore appear to have lower intellectual capacity than non believers. Sorry guys, but the research speaks for itself whether you want to believe it or not.

Bazamac Loc: Manchester, UK

steve40 wrote:

1 Cor, 1:26 For you see your calling, brethren, th... (show quote)

Here we go again - quoting the big book of magic stuff as if that proves something. It does - you've read a big book of magic stuff. Nothing else

taffthetooth Loc: U.K

James Shaw wrote:

Taffthetooth, if you know the Bible and read all that its states, then you know what I have said above is true. I do not need your justifications for what I know the Bible clearly states that God has done. And neither does God need for you to justify what he has done. It is stated plainly and simply in the Bible.

Typical cop out, well done for confirming your ignorance. :thumbup:

Bazamac Loc: Manchester, UK

GregApplegate wrote:

When you look at almost any living organism and be... (show quote)

Didn't come about by accident. Nor by coincidence. If you think that's what evolution says then you are ignorant. If you think that quoting the 2nd law of thermodynamics in that brainless way that creationists do proves anything about evolution and the biological and chemical processes that underlie it then you are ignorant. If you believe that there is/was a creator, that's up to you, but if you think that there is a scientific/rational way to support that view then you are either very much mistaken, have been duped by the nonsense that is "creation science", are guilty of wilful distortion of the facts or you are ignorant.
As for the rest of your post, I'm afraid it's the same sort of brain-numbing nonsense that the religious tend to come out with masquerading as profundity.

Canonuser Loc: UK and South Africa

Bazamac wrote:

Here we go again - quoting the big book of magic stuff as if that proves something. It does - you've read a big book of magic stuff. Nothing else

I did once think that my non believers views were worth testing, so I downloaded the bible and read whole chunks of it in great depth, especially the bits that believers keep quoting. I do have to say that Nostradamus and Old Moore's Almanac were just as convincing and equally as meaningless.

Bazamac Loc: Manchester, UK

taffthetooth wrote:

James, please give the context for what you said God has done, don't grab stuff out of the Bible without trying to understand the context.

James, James, you have to realise that all those bits of the bible where god destroys cities, sends plagues, watches on while a "good man" sends his sex slave out to be raped to death then cuts up her body to send to his mates etc etc etc don't mean what they look like they mean. If you read them in the "context" of the other bits they mean something completely different. But apparently only if you have opened your heart to some ghost of some sort.

phlash46 Loc: Westchester County, New York

kwils wrote:

I think the beauty of science is to never stop inquiring, pondering, wondering and proving or disproving. Religion gave up, science marches on.

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steve40 Loc: Asheville/Canton, NC, USA

Man is not left totally to his own Free Will, in all things. If it were to be so, all would make the same choices that the unbelievers on this forum have done.

Paul explained that in Romans, when he said there are none that seek God. There are none that understand. So much for free will. It takes a work of regeneration by the Holy Spirit, to bring a man to the point where he believes (has Faith). God did not choose to do this work in all men. Some are left to their own devices. As is plainly revealed in the attitudes on this forum.

phlash46 Loc: Westchester County, New York

GregApplegate wrote:

God doesn't believe in atheists.

OK. I guess they're even.