really, try for once, not being defensive and just accept the fact of the matter.
lighthouse wrote:
It wasn't about "nice".
My comment was "overprocessed".
I did not tell "the other gentleman" that Jason "duped" him.
I merely pointed out how wonderful the images can look on the back of a D800, and pointed out that Jasons images are not virtually straight out of the camera.
You do not get to decide whether I tell "the other gentleman" this truth or not.
I don't believe I said he didn't understand PP, I said I had my doubts on it if he thought Jasons images were close to SOOC.
And I also said that his 3) and 4) were both classed as editing.
I stand by every comment I made, and my right to say them.
Now, do you have any photos on UHH?
Lets see if you are allowed to say if Jasons photos are nicer than mine or not? Shall we?
Do your photos have to be as good as Jasons or mine before you are allowed to have an opinion on that?
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There isn't much doubt as to who has the better photos. IMO, you have a ways to go before you reach Jason's level of expertise and so do I. Sorry, but my eyes didn't pop out of my head when viewing yours as they did looking at his and you do not get to decide which I think is better. I stand by that comment myself, along with my right to state it.
Okay, this image of Monument Valley, taken last week and was heavily processed in Adobe ACR, Photoshop and Nik. Does anyone see a problem with the final product as in over processed?
For my taste I think a lot of the HDR stuff is distracting. However, as they say, "a picture is worth a thousand words." It is the artist's job to make those words communicate what he/she wants to say. Over saturation can communicate a gritty reality or a sense of whimsy. Monster overtweaking let this cliche` frog on a lily pad bring a smile do a lot of my friends who are used to my "Perfect representation of nature" efforts. I don't do this often so it created a surprise and got a smile.
Mark7829 wrote:
Okay, this image of Monument Valley, taken last week and was heavily processed in Adobe ACR, Photoshop and Nik. Does anyone see a problem with the final product as in over processed?
I like it. As a learning tool, what all did you do it? Don't have to share trade secrets though.
Jcmarino wrote:
I like it. As a learning tool, what all did you do it? Don't have to share trade secrets though.
Are you ready?
ACR -
Crop
White Balance
Highlights
Clarity
Remove Shadows (significantly)
Remove Blacks (significantly and will add back in Nik)
Sharpen
Camera Lens Correction (Wide angle distortion removal)
Remove Chromatic Aberration
Vignetting (Highlight priority)
Nik - Veveza 2: using control points
structure (incredible for revealing detail)
contrast (adding selectively back the blacks removed in ACR)
Of course each image will dictate what is needed. All of my ACR settings are a single click preset and a tweak further
wj cody wrote:
really, try for once, not being defensive and just accept the fact of the matter.
Accept the fact that you're wrong as usual?
Every photograph I have ever seen is a fake rendition of reality. In the simplest sense, reality is 3D and photos are 2D. And that is just the start. So I am comfortable with whatever any photographer does to enhance the work. Where's the line? By making a photograph at all you have jumped across it. Of course, some people do this better than others, don't they?
wrightwrjr wrote:
There isn't much doubt as to who has the better photos. IMO, you have a ways to go before you reach Jason's level of expertise and so do I. Sorry, but my eyes didn't pop out of my head when viewing yours as they did looking at his and you do not get to decide which I think is better. I stand by that comment myself, along with my right to state it.
I'm kind of curious how you went from being against all PP in your original comment to defending someone who heavily PPs.
Jcmarino wrote:
Hey Lightroom, love the first one and the sunset over the ocean. Those are my favorite kind of photos. I live in the mountains and you have to look straight up to see the sky! Love the sea and its sunsets.
But you live in the mountains :)
One thing I try to remember is that where I live is ordinary to me,but to most people it is quite extraordinary. Thats not too hard for me because to be fair I grew up in the UK and moved here to Ireland and see the difference still.
MadMikeOne
Loc: So. NJ Shore - a bit west of Atlantic City
lighthouse wrote:
I can't believe that this processing effort is from a "get it right in camera" proponent.
I agree with you, lighthouse. As for me, I much prefer the first image. That is my own personal taste and opinion, so need for any knicker twisting.
TheDman wrote:
I'm kind of curious how you went from being against all PP in your original comment to defending someone who heavily PPs.
You may be a cat so I better answer you because you know being curious kills cats. The guys says he doesn't heavily PP. I am taking his word for it, you're not. I think what we have here is a little envy from both you and lighthouse. You can't do it without heavy PP, he can. I hope I answered your question.
wrightwrjr wrote:
You may be a cat so I better answer you because you know being curious kills cats. The guys says he doesn't heavily PP. I am taking his word for it, you're not. I think what we have here is a little envy from both you and lighthouse. You can't do it without heavy PP, he can. I hope I answered your question.
Heh, I guarantee you it's not that. I don't PP either, everything is straight out of the camera. And I wouldn't trade portfolios with Jason.
The jpeg image that your camera produces is processed in camera by someone (in Japan, Korea, or wherever the camera is produced) who has never seen the subject of your image. If you are content to let that person process the data your camera captures, that is your choice. If you think you can do a better job of capturing the emotional impact of what you saw when you pressed the shutter button, then use the software that you can control to produce what you saw/felt/imagined.
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