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Jun 17, 2014 13:16:05   #
lighthouse Loc: No Fixed Abode
 
wrightwrjr wrote:
No one should ever be critical of any work, or blow it off as if it were nothing until they can produce better work than what they are being critical of. That's the challenge I have presented to you. You are indicating that the photographer named Jason uses heavy PP and a person who has sat with him says he doesn't. Who am I to believe, someone who has seen it with their own eyes or someone who has never seen it and just makes blind assumptions because they aren't capable of duplicating it since they don't know the guys secrets or maybe just aren't as good as Jason the photographer? Being a critic is the easiest job in the world, that's why there are so many of them.
No one should ever be critical of any work, or blo... (show quote)


Here are some of my photos that i have posted to UHH.
Make up your own mind.
Do you have any on UHH?
From looking at my photos, do you think that I may be able to have an opinion of his photos?
Do my photos look natural?
They are all pretty close to how I took them.
And they are all edited.

















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Jun 17, 2014 13:20:23   #
TheDman Loc: USA
 
lighthouse wrote:
Here are some of my photos that i have posted to UHH.
Make up your own mind.
Do you have any on UHH?
From looking at my photos, do you think that I may be able to have an opinion of his photos?


Cool, where was that first one? Looks like a great spot!

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Jun 17, 2014 13:20:30   #
Jcmarino
 
Here is something to try: Find a beautiful sunset, Photo 1: set your camera to vivid color, or adjust your colors in camera, sharpen a little,(if you don't know how to do this, read the manual or YouTube it) Shoot RAW and manual, set your exposure to the brightest part of the sky, or just to the right or left of the sun, then underexpose that setting a stop or two, manual focus. Shoot. Tripod is better but not necessary.

Photo 2: Reset camera, shoot Raw, manual, expose on neutral color in the sky, do not underexpose or overexpose. Auto focus. Shoot

Compare the two. Which do you like better?

Go to Lightroom, with Photo 1, adjust exposure, white balance to get great color, play with contrast and clarity (turn your clarity to 100%)then adjust your contrast. Sharpen a little if you want but watch for noise. You dont want that. See what happens! Enter it into a local contest. I bet you win! No "photoshopping", HDR or anything else was done.
Then take that same photo into some editing software of your choice, go crazy, get creative, let those juices flow but most of all have fun. That's what its all about!!!

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Jun 17, 2014 13:21:54   #
Jcmarino
 
Awesome! Wrightwrjr

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Jun 17, 2014 13:24:43   #
lighthouse Loc: No Fixed Abode
 
TheDman wrote:
Cool, where was that first one? Looks like a great spot!


Oh, about 17 hours plane ride away from you.

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Jun 17, 2014 13:25:38   #
TheDman Loc: USA
 
lighthouse wrote:
Oh, about 17 hours plane ride away from you.


I can do that. :-)

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Jun 17, 2014 13:34:46   #
Festus Loc: North Dakota
 
Gene51 wrote:
FYI - Adams heavily manipulated his negative development recipes as well - time, temperature, concentration, and choice of chemicals - were all based on his field contrast measurements. The density of the film base which would change with each type of film and also with the development procedure, was something that he was very fastidious about recording and cataloging. He was "one" with his negative - and was able to record ALL the detail in shadows and highlights, then use copious amounts of dodge and burn to extend the dynamic range of his original capture. That's what "getting it right in the camera" meant in those days.

Today, getting it right in the camera means capturing all the tonal values without compromise - and you set up your exposure differently for jpg (which by definition is not getting it right in the camera) and raw. When you shoot raw, you avoid overexposing your highlights at all costs. when you shoot jpg you are targeting a middle value for your image brightness that reflects the scene, and if the contrast exceeds the camera's capability in jpg mode, then you will be sacrificing either or both highlight and shadow information.
FYI - Adams heavily manipulated his negative devel... (show quote)


You are correct. And thank you for the additional information.

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Jun 17, 2014 13:36:47   #
lighthouse Loc: No Fixed Abode
 
wrightwrjr wrote:
What link?


So, no comment on his, or mine???
We've spoonfed them to you.
You challenged me.
Now you have to have an opinion.
But you appear to have gone quiet.

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Jun 17, 2014 13:38:48   #
wrightwrjr Loc: Paducah, KY
 
lighthouse wrote:
Here are some of my photos that i have posted to UHH.
Make up your own mind.
Do you have any on UHH?
From looking at my photos, do you think that I may be able to have an opinion of his photos?
Do my photos look natural?
They are all pretty close to how I took them.
And they are all edited.


Absolutely you can have an opinion, , but so can everyone else. And yes, you have some nice photos. Not as nice as those on Jason the photographers site, but nice. But, what you should not do is tell the other gentleman that Jason has duped him or that he doesn't understand PP which is essentially what you told him. Being constantly critical doesn't do much for anyone does it?

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Jun 17, 2014 13:40:05   #
TheDman Loc: USA
 
wrightwrjr wrote:
Absolutely you can have an opinion, , but so can everyone else. And yes, you have some nice photos. Not as nice as those on Jason the photographers site, but nice. But, what you should not do is tell the other gentleman that Jason has duped him or that he doesn't understand PP which is essentially what you told him. Being constantly critical doesn't do much for anyone does it?


Sure it does, in this case it helps people learn how to identify PP.

8-)

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Jun 17, 2014 13:44:44   #
jmcgloth Loc: Ocean Park, WA
 
wrightwrjr wrote:
Question for everyone: What do you think of all the enhancing of photos that software and cameras are capable of now? Things like HDR, Photoshopping the bejeebers out of a shot etc.. I like to see what can be done without help myself. Just the camera, the right light, and the photographer. But, that's just my opinion. Anyone else have any thoughts? Don't get me wrong, some beautiful stuff is being produced, but where should it end before it gets to be more computerizing than photographing?
Question for everyone: What do you think of all t... (show quote)


I'm with you. I like a photograph to be processed so it more clearly represents reality, but not artistic expression. I like the composition and colors to be the art.

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Jun 17, 2014 13:49:37   #
lighthouse Loc: No Fixed Abode
 
wrightwrjr wrote:
Absolutely you can have an opinion, , but so can everyone else. And yes, you have some nice photos. Not as nice as those on Jason the photographers site, but nice. But, what you should not do is tell the other gentleman that Jason has duped him or that he doesn't understand PP which is essentially what you told him. Being constantly critical doesn't do much for anyone does it?


It wasn't about "nice".
My comment was "overprocessed".
I did not tell "the other gentleman" that Jason "duped" him.
I merely pointed out how wonderful the images can look on the back of a D800, and pointed out that Jasons images are not virtually straight out of the camera.
You do not get to decide whether I tell "the other gentleman" this truth or not.
I don't believe I said he didn't understand PP, I said I had my doubts on it if he thought Jasons images were close to SOOC.
And I also said that his 3) and 4) were both classed as editing.

I stand by every comment I made, and my right to say them.

Now, do you have any photos on UHH?
Lets see if you are allowed to say if Jasons photos are nicer than mine or not? Shall we?
Do your photos have to be as good as Jasons or mine before you are allowed to have an opinion on that?

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Jun 17, 2014 13:49:41   #
wj cody Loc: springfield illinois
 
Festus wrote:
You are correct. And thank you for the additional information.


yup, careful selection of lens, fiim, developer and dodging and burning.

not removal of objects from final image, not changing facial features, or colour or subject matter by deleting or inserting that which was not in the original image. not dummying up out of focus subjects and certainly never claiming that this is the image you made.

temperature, developer formula, paper selection and dodging and burning changed none of what was on the negative - if it wasn't on the original negative, you wouldn't have it on the print.

and as for colour - well, if it wasn't on the transparency, then it wasn't in the final print. as 99.99% of digital image makers do only colour (perfectly understandable, since digital is lousy when it comes to a final black and white print)
so, there you have it. you may not like it, but just compare the commercial work in let's say today's Vogue with the issues from the '60s and '70's. it becomes pretty apparent pretty quickly.

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Jun 17, 2014 13:56:51   #
TheDman Loc: USA
 
wj cody wrote:
yup, careful selection of lens, fiim, developer and dodging and burning.

not removal of objects from final image, not changing facial features, or colour or subject matter by deleting or inserting that which was not in the original image.


Yeah, back in the days of film there wasn't any of this!
http://www.lomography.com/magazine/lifestyle/2011/05/05/in-the-company-of-fairies-5-photographs-that-tricked-the-world

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Jun 17, 2014 14:00:48   #
Jcmarino
 
Hey Lightroom, love the first one and the sunset over the ocean. Those are my favorite kind of photos. I live in the mountains and you have to look straight up to see the sky! Love the sea and its sunsets.

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