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Jun 17, 2014 17:27:27   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/860536-REG/Leica_10760_M_Monochrom_Black_and.html

Looks nice but its $7995

Does come with lightroom and silverfx as part of the bundle.

You actually need to use coloured filters with this.

on the other hand my camera (and yours probably) allows me to choose black&white jpegs and offers a number of coloured filters including IR simulation. This I find useful when set up for IR or black and white photography.

"Continuing to embody the classic themes of traditional black and white photography, the iconic design of Leica M-cameras is carried forward by the Leica M Monochrom. With a matte-black finish on the chromed top deck, it allows the camera to be an unobtrusive tool--so you can capture candid moments discreetly. Even the red Leica logo is missing, and only an engraved script on the accessory shoe reveals the product name at all. The camera features a particularly soft leather trim that provides an ideal grip, perfectly complementing the camera's understated character. The camera package also includes a genuine leather carrying strap in premium full-grain cowhide. "

I guess even Leica recognise the potential hazards of street photography with an $8,000 camera.

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Jun 17, 2014 17:56:05   #
Jcmarino
 
Mark7829 wrote:
Are you ready?

ACR -

Crop
White Balance
Highlights
Clarity
Remove Shadows (significantly)
Remove Blacks (significantly and will add back in Nik)
Sharpen
Camera Lens Correction (Wide angle distortion removal)
Remove Chromatic Aberration
Vignetting (Highlight priority)

Nik - Veveza 2: using control points
structure (incredible for revealing detail)
contrast (adding selectively back the blacks removed in ACR)

Of course each image will dictate what is needed. All of my ACR settings are a single click preset and a tweak further
Are you ready? br br ACR - br br Crop br White B... (show quote)


Neat, your ACR is what I consider #3, almost the same as I do in Lightroom and your Nick, my #4.

#3 is kinda what I need to do and #4 is anything I want to do. The photo does not need it. I do it to settle my own creative thirst.

Good job on those.

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Jun 17, 2014 18:06:27   #
bobzeller Loc: San Angelo, Texas
 
MtnMan wrote:
So Ansel Adams didn't qualify as a photographer? His photos have no credibility?

He detailed the hundreds of steps he took in the darkroom to manipulate his images.


The camera was just the first tool he used to make his creations.

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Jun 17, 2014 18:47:10   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
In my view manipulation turns any photo into an image. Whether using film or digital... Photo,is what is captured by the camera. Manipulate that and you are creating an image.

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Jun 17, 2014 18:56:36   #
lighthouse Loc: No Fixed Abode
 
TheDman wrote:
I'm kind of curious how you went from being against all PP in your original comment to defending someone who heavily PPs.


Yes. I'm also wondering that.
Makes him look like an irrational hypocrite who has made it personal rather than objective.

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Jun 17, 2014 19:09:00   #
Mark7829 Loc: Calfornia
 
lighthouse wrote:
Yes. I'm also wondering that.
Makes him look like an irrational hypocrite who has made it personal rather than objective.


Or you are just being trolled?

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Jun 17, 2014 19:13:05   #
lighthouse Loc: No Fixed Abode
 
wrightwrjr wrote:
There isn't much doubt as to who has the better photos. IMO, you have a ways to go before you reach Jason's level of expertise and so do I. Sorry, but my eyes didn't pop out of my head when viewing yours as they did looking at his and you do not get to decide which I think is better. I stand by that comment myself, along with my right to state it.


It is not about whether you say you like mine or his.
It isn't a contest and I don't care which you prefer.
You challenged my ability and judgement level as to whether I was allowed to have an opinion on whether his images are processed or not.
Like Dman said, it is obvious to those who know what they are looking at, the processing that has gone into his shots.
From your responses it is obvious that you either don't know what you are looking at, or your "need" to prove me wrong won't let you voice a rational opinion.
The processing that he has done is glaringly obvious to anyone with any modicum of proficiency with editing.
Like I said, if you cannot see the processing that has gone into his images, then you really shouldn't be having an opinion on the matter. You do not know what you are talking about.
Now, did you have any images on UHH or anywhere so that we can check your credentials?

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Jun 17, 2014 19:38:46   #
Picdude Loc: Ohio
 
As I've said many times before, I take pictures so I have something to use my Post Processing software on. Some days I want it to look like reality, some days like pure science fiction. Sometimes I do a version of each with the same photo. Art (be it in the eyes of the masses or the individual) knows no limits or bounds. The main reason the controls have so much lee-way built into them is, IMO, because the programmers realize the amount of change required for each image is determined only by the software user. That then leads me to believe there is really no right or wrong way to use the software, nor is there a true "Intended Use" for the package. So tweak that image as hard or a little as you want, and if it looks good to you (or whoever you are selling the image to) then you have performed just the right amount of adjustment. Have Fun!!

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Jun 17, 2014 19:44:45   #
lighthouse Loc: No Fixed Abode
 
Picdude wrote:
As I've said many times before, I take pictures so I have something to use my Post Processing software on. Some days I want it to look like reality, some days like pure science fiction. Sometimes I do a version of each with the same photo. Art (be it in the eyes of the masses or the individual) knows no limits or bounds. The main reason the controls have so much lee-way built into them is, IMO, because the programmers realize the amount of change required for each image is determined only by the software user. That then leads me to believe there is really no right or wrong way to use the software, nor is there a true "Intended Use" for the package. So tweak that image as hard or a little as you want, and if it looks good to you (or whoever you are selling the image to) then you have performed just the right amount of adjustment. Have Fun!!
As I've said many times before, I take pictures so... (show quote)


Yep, I'll go along with that.
But I bet you don't advertise them as "virtually SOOC".

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Jun 17, 2014 19:46:31   #
watchwinder Loc: Churubusco, Indiana
 
nakkh wrote:
Even Ansel Adams did a little PP ...


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Jun 17, 2014 20:01:39   #
Mark7829 Loc: Calfornia
 
Gene51 wrote:
When shooting film this debate raged on even then. There were the "get it right in the camera" crowd, and the "the work begins after the shutter is clicked" crowd.

For the most part, and image MUST be manipulated to get the best out of it. Can you imagine what the images of the masters would have looked like if they just did standard film development and then contact printed all their images? They would look like snapshots - which is all you get when you take an image out of the camera and print without some enhancement.

Certain subjects and lighting conditions will yield images that require very little processing, but I have yet to see an image that could not be improved with processing and a little manipulation.

These are two images that I took yesterday. the first is unprocessed, the other was processed. The histogram on the first indicates perfect exposure, good brightness black and white tones etc. The second image is how I saw it and how I wanted others to see what I saw.

This is mostly the case - the camera can only record a scene, it is up to the photographer to do what the camera can't.
When shooting film this debate raged on even then.... (show quote)


Yes the saturation was increased but I also notice that you lost detail (clipping) in the shadows. Over all, you added greater depth to the image but I think you could have preserved more detail with a different technique.

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Jun 17, 2014 20:03:06   #
wrightwrjr Loc: Paducah, KY
 
lighthouse wrote:
It is not about whether you say you like mine or his.
It isn't a contest and I don't care which you prefer.
You challenged my ability and judgement level as to whether I was allowed to have an opinion on whether his images are processed or not.
Like Dman said, it is obvious to those who know what they are looking at, the processing that has gone into his shots.
From your responses it is obvious that you either don't know what you are looking at, or your "need" to prove me wrong won't let you voice a rational opinion.
The processing that he has done is glaringly obvious to anyone with any modicum of proficiency with editing.
Like I said, if you cannot see the processing that has gone into his images, then you really shouldn't be having an opinion on the matter. You do not know what you are talking about.
Now, did you have any images on UHH or anywhere so that we can check your credentials?
It is not about whether you say you like mine or h... (show quote)


Here's a pic I took of some orchids. I did plenty of PP so you'd enjoy them. LOL



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Jun 17, 2014 20:04:38   #
Picdude Loc: Ohio
 
lighthouse wrote:
Yep, I'll go along with that.
But I bet you don't advertise them as "virtually SOOC".


:D :D :D - You're exactly right. Of course, on the other hand, I usually don't advertise them much at all.

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Jun 17, 2014 20:12:07   #
Mark7829 Loc: Calfornia
 
I believe along with better composition, different camera settings (wider aperture) and good post processing technique would have rendered a much better image.

Please this is not meant to be personal but a learning moment. In the first picture, the background is a distraction, you could have eliminated the problem with a wider aperture and cropping. You could have shot close up with 90% of the frame the flower. Instead the background takes up most of the frame and focus is lost.

As for the second flower, the angle from the top creates a flat image that no amount of post processing could resolve. Again, a wider aperture, a closer shot, that is offset and a different perspective would have rendered a better image.

While post processing is important, composition and light must be part of every shot.

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Jun 17, 2014 20:35:59   #
Mark7829 Loc: Calfornia
 
Jcmarino wrote:
Yep, I had a very good mentor who taught me "to get it right" in the camera. I still have a lot to learn. If you get a chance check out Jason Lanier Photography. I still study under him. He is accused of having fake photos and skies. He uses Lightroom for processing only, everything is done in his camera. Signature editing done in Photoshop. I can assure you nothing he does is fake. Watch his videos on YouTube, you will be amazed.


I have looked at the images on line and there is a significant amount of post processing including exaggerated detail from sharpening techniques. I see image toning from single image HDR techniques. I have no idea what fake means. The images are not fake but enhanced. There is nothing wrong with that . He has some images with have been obviously corrected for high dynamic range. This something no one can get right in the camera with out the assistance of merging multiple exposures or other advanced post processing. No one gets in all done in camera. It is not possible nor is it intended. RAW files are always flat and require, absolutely require post processing.

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