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Apr 11, 2014 10:15:26   #
Reddog Loc: Southern Calif
 
sb wrote:
I practiced medicine in Maine on the border of Canada and was a provider for the New Brunswick (Canada) Medicare program so that I could care for the residents of nearby Campobello Island, New Brunswick. My Canadian patients received specialty care in St. Johns, about 2 hours away, while my American patients sought specialty care in Bangor, Maine, about 2 hours away. My Canadian patients had no longer waits than my American patients. To see a neurologist in Bangor often requires a wait of 4 months. The hardest time I had getting specialty care for any patients was always my uninsured American patients and even my American patients on Medicaid. My Canadian patients were all treated equally and based not on insurance but how urgently they needed the specialty care - and I thought that was ideal.
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The right does not want to hear that, they want you to tell them how superior we are to everyone else! Please don't state facts to them cause if they don't come from Fox news they mean nothing.

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Apr 11, 2014 10:25:50   #
amyinsparta Loc: White county, TN
 
papayanirvana wrote:
I could find both Republican and Democrat instances of this rule in action in virtually every political action... you are naive if you think both sides don't know the rules of class warfare.


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Apr 11, 2014 10:28:34   #
amyinsparta Loc: White county, TN
 
sb wrote:
I practiced medicine in Maine on the border of Canada and was a provider for the New Brunswick (Canada) Medicare program so that I could care for the residents of nearby Campobello Island, New Brunswick. My Canadian patients received specialty care in St. Johns, about 2 hours away, while my American patients sought specialty care in Bangor, Maine, about 2 hours away. My Canadian patients had no longer waits than my American patients. To see a neurologist in Bangor often requires a wait of 4 months. The hardest time I had getting specialty care for any patients was always my uninsured American patients and even my American patients on Medicaid. My Canadian patients were all treated equally and based not on insurance but how urgently they needed the specialty care - and I thought that was ideal.
I practiced medicine in Maine on the border of Can... (show quote)


Now look what you did! Bursting the bubbles of ignorance is not allowed!!!!!!!!!

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Apr 11, 2014 10:33:24   #
Reddog Loc: Southern Calif
 
jlefebvre wrote:
I live in Toronto Ontario and YES, I am an American Citizen and a resident of Canada. I moved here by choice 6 years ago and there is NOTHING wrong with our healthcare up here, in fact is wonderful!! Yes, I am constantly hearing that Americans are arrogant and believe that they are right in their opinions and ways...it can sometimes embarrass me, because...yes, I feel they are right..


You will not be invited to appear on Fox News anytime soon!

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Apr 11, 2014 10:34:16   #
Gone Off Shore Loc: Philadelphia, PA
 
sumo wrote:
I would not believe anything from Snopes, they are not a creditable source…


Well, in wingnut land they're not.

But then facts and truth are a "liberal plot" as we're well aware.

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Apr 11, 2014 10:37:37   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 
Bobo wrote:
Interesting to note the resident states of these two protagonists.


How is it interesting?

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Apr 11, 2014 10:37:56   #
Reddog Loc: Southern Calif
 
sumo wrote:
I would not believe anything from Snopes, they are not a creditable source…


Sean H on Fox is the answer!

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Apr 11, 2014 10:39:35   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 
papayanirvana wrote:
I've noticed these rules are similar to Machiavelli's Prince... and are equally effective in business, tennis, chess and internet arguments.

OR do you not know how to use the search function?

http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-176511-1.html
http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-189574-1.html
http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-200382-1.html


Maybe if you would become more informed about Alinsky you would understand current events.

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Apr 11, 2014 10:45:37   #
Hal81 Loc: Bucks County, Pa.
 
Quotes or no quotes just look at whats happening to this country. We are heading down the wrong road and the libs are blind to whats happening all around them.

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Apr 11, 2014 10:53:59   #
Thombar Loc: Hominy, OK
 
I'm 72 years old and so I'm not too concerned for my future. but I sure as hell as scared for my 18 month old granddaughter. I doubt she will know the America I grew up in and loved so much. It is really sad. :cry: :cry: :cry:

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Apr 11, 2014 11:14:23   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
sb wrote:
I practiced medicine in Maine on the border of Canada and was a provider for the New Brunswick (Canada) Medicare program so that I could care for the residents of nearby Campobello Island, New Brunswick. My Canadian patients received specialty care in St. Johns, about 2 hours away, while my American patients sought specialty care in Bangor, Maine, about 2 hours away. My Canadian patients had no longer waits than my American patients. To see a neurologist in Bangor often requires a wait of 4 months. The hardest time I had getting specialty care for any patients was always my uninsured American patients and even my American patients on Medicaid. My Canadian patients were all treated equally and based not on insurance but how urgently they needed the specialty care - and I thought that was ideal.
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I hear what you are saying but what I don't understand is this. Why do so many Canadians that are diagnosed with a cancer and are told that it will be months before they can see a doctor come down to the States and have pay cash for our health system if the system is so good in Canada? I know this happens a lot because my wife saw a lot of this while working at a major hospital. I'm not questioning what you say at all but there seen to be two sides of this coin.

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Apr 11, 2014 11:17:37   #
mdfenton
 
Something to consider:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/alinsky.asp

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Apr 11, 2014 12:05:07   #
raferrelljr Loc: CHARLOTTE, NC
 
chiya wrote:
Just a couple of quotes from alinsky


"A Marxist begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the exploitation of the proletariat by the capitalists. From this he logically proceeds to the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage of reorganization into a new social order of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and finally the last stage -- the political paradise of communism." p.10


"The tenth rule... is you do what you can with what you have and clothe it with moral garments.... It involves sifting the multiple factors which combine in creating the circumstances at any given time... Who, and how many will support the action?... If weapons are needed, then are appropriate d weapons available? Availability of means determines whether you will be underground or above ground; whether you will move quickly or slowly..." p.36
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Also, at about this same time Cloward and Piven were develping their strategy at Columbia University on how to overload the U.S. public welfare system, with their guaranteed income system, which todays term could be called economic social engineering. I guess we all know who attended Columbia although he sealed his own records. All of these results discussed above do have consequences and fit like a glove in Obama's plan to overload the welfare bureaucracy. Combined with the increased spending on food stamps, the growing massive deficiet, the extreme cost associated with Obamacare and the loss of jobs and hiring due to its uncertaincies, our economy is suffering and doesn't look that good going forward.

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Apr 11, 2014 12:22:46   #
bvm Loc: Glendale, Arizona
 
sumo wrote:
There are EIGHT levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a socialist system:

1) Healthcare - Control healthcare and you control the people.
2) Poverty - Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them.
3) Debt - Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.
4) Gun Control - Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.
5) Welfare - Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income)
6) Education - Take control of what people read and listen to. Take control of what children learn in school.
7) Religion - Remove the belief in God from the Government and schools.
8) Class Warfare - Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to tax the wealthy with the support of the poor.

Saul David Alinsky was an American COMMUNITY ORGANIZER and writer. He is generally considered to be the founder of community organizing. He is often noted for his book RULES FOR RADICALS. From that book came the above eight levels of control. ANY OF IT SOUND FAMILIAR?
There are EIGHT levels of control that must be obt... (show quote)


I agree with you 100%.

And if you really want to see how far it can go, look up
CLOWARD-PIVEN.

That's whats really taking place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward–Piven_strategy

http://henrymakow.com/obama-personifies-cloward-pive.html

And after their done using the labor unions, their plan is to abolish them!

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Apr 11, 2014 12:24:34   #
CocoaRoger Loc: Cocoa Florida
 
More like fascism than socialism

Fourteen Defining
Characteristics Of Fascism
By Dr. Lawrence Britt
Source Free Inquiry.co
5-28-3


Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

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