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Mar 4, 2014 10:43:57   #
creativ simon Loc: Coulsdon, South London
 
LarJgrip wrote:
Heres a guy that lived more than two thousand years ago, never travelled anywhere but wandered around the country side in a very small region somewhere in the Middle East. He had a small band of friends and a few "parlour tricks" some would say.

He made some outlandish statements that bordered on the insane like, "eat my flesh and drink my blood", "I am God" and "believe in me or exist in torment forever" to mention a few.


And for some reason, he pissed off the local government to such an extent that they made up some charges in a kangaroo court and publicly executed him in the most vile, excruciating way possible. And that should have been the end of it, especially when they chased down some of his followers and started killing them too.

You would expect, at best he would end up a foot note in the back pages of an annal somewhere, but no.

For some strange reason every significant document (and I mean "every" ) on this earth, is authenticated with his number. Even the software update on your camera. In other words the whole world manages time around this man.

This is not an opinion folks, this is a fact. Are you kidding me?

His birthday is celebrated world wide, his death and supposed resurrection is celebrated world wide. One third of the worlds population claim to believe in him. Why?

Countless books and songs written about him, numerous movies (a new one in the theatres as we speak). He's depicted in art, buildings are built with his name on them, first names and surnames are named after him, many will even symbolize the filthy, disgusting manner in which he died and adorn themselves with it and call it jewelry.

The one book that documents his life more than any other (referred by some as a fairy tale or just plain nonsense) eclipses the sales of any other book, ever, in the history of mankind… ever!!

Even though many powerful and influential people have tried to eradicate the world of him, his book and his followers by burning, torturing and murdering. His following continues to grow. Huh? Imagine that.


Why is it that when people curse, they use his name? He was the subject of a fairy tale right? An urban legend at best. He was banging nails for a living two thousand years ago for Pete's sake. What's the big deal with his name? When have you ever heard someone curse using Buddhas name or mahatma?

People, this makes no sense. This is like something from the twilight zone.

I would invite some of the more scholarly ones on this site to explain this to the rest of us.
Heres a guy that lived more than two thousand year... (show quote)


Well spoken
Most humans are no better than sheep and need guidance, religion gives them that and they are told not to question that so they dont
I cut my own path I am no sheep and dont need others to follow

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Mar 4, 2014 10:47:43   #
dthomas Loc: Frostburg Maryland
 
This is to all of you that find any mention of God in our society offensive. I will take all the money you have in your possession that states " In God we trust." Just IM me and I will give the location to send it too. I will not post any of your names or amounts that you send to me. Do not, please let me down, just send it all to me.

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Mar 4, 2014 10:49:31   #
HEART Loc: God's Country - COLORADO
 
Harvey wrote:
As I was driving to pick up a friend who is quite a believer in the Bible I ask him this question: What is your thoughts and opinion on the "ever lasting life" promised by God/Jesus?
Do you personally know anyone who has been brought back to life after they have "died" for one reason or another and been brought back by medical treatment or CPR.
He claimed he believed in it because of what a close friend shared after he had "died" in the hospital and was brought back. He saw people dressed in white hooded robes - munk style - and was told it was not time for him to be there yet - and he woke up in recovery.
OK - this is a little different than the "Bright light" I have heard stories of.
Now I know there are many out there who have been brought back from death - I have personally brought back 2 with CPR.
But not once have i heard of someone saying-"Dang what did you bring me back for - I was with Jesus! Or the oposite - Dang I'm glad you brought me back - I was in Hell with all those other sinners.

Come on know just what and where are those folks who truly have been brought back from physical and mental death.
As I was driving to pick up a friend who is quite ... (show quote)



Harvey: Some videos that will help to shed light on near-death experiences. Pick any one. God doesn't ask you to understand what follows death; he wants you to believe in HIM and His Son, Jesus Christ.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=near%20death%20experience&sm=1

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Mar 4, 2014 10:50:14   #
creativ simon Loc: Coulsdon, South London
 
dthomas wrote:
This is to all of you that find any mention of God in our society offensive. I will take all the money you have in your possession that states " In God we trust." Just IM me and I will give the location to send it too. I will not post any of your names or amounts that you send to me. Do not, please let me down, just send it all to me.


Haha you sound like a Vicar

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Mar 4, 2014 10:51:44   #
HEART Loc: God's Country - COLORADO
 
Bangee5 wrote:
Harvey, are you expecting people to beat your door down just to tell you of their story's of being there? I have heard plenty of stories of people coming back from death and being told that it was not their time, not told directly to me but I have head of such. Do I know these people personally? No, I don't. Do I believe that they are truthful? I have my doublets but that does not mean that it is not impossible. I do believe that one day after my death that Christ will raise me from the dead and I will be with him in spirit (not in this body) for eternity. Is your wife still with you? Ask her what she believes about life after death.
Harvey, are you expecting people to beat your door... (show quote)



Some videos I passed onto Harvey. Hopefully, God will touch him.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=near%20death%20experience&sm=1

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Mar 4, 2014 10:51:47   #
LarJgrip Loc: The Fraser Valley
 
Gnslngr wrote:
Well, then maybe you can tell me: what sort of being that commands that everyone acknowledge him/her upon pain of eternal damnation provides no irrefutable proof of his/her existence? Seems to me that kind of a deity is kind of a jerk.


You want proof?

Pick a nice clear summer night and lay on the grass and stare up into the heavens and while your staring up contemplate what you are actually seeing.

And while you're doing that think about all the things that are happening between the surface of your eye ball and neurons firing in your brain to make any of this possible. Proof, LOL just look around you.

Regarding your other point…

… hell was never meant for humans, it was meant for satan and his demons. But humans are going to spend eternity with their 'father'. Whether it be their Heavenly Father or their hellish father will be each persons choice.

Unfortunately, we are all cursed with a sin nature (thanks to Adam) and we are all doomed to hell.

But God in his mercy decided to come to earth in human form that is Jesus and die the death that we deserve and pay the penalty that we couldn't pay.

So you see God made a way where there was no way. We still have to choose, we can either accept his free gift of salvation or we can reject it.

But make no mistake, God is pleading with us and wanting to adopt us as his father.

I want to make something very clear to you Gnslngr, while you are thumbing your nose to God and calling Him a jerk, He loves you and is patiently waiting.

But you don't know if you're even going to be here by this time tomorrow. Don't wait, now is the acceptable time.

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Mar 4, 2014 10:54:29   #
creativ simon Loc: Coulsdon, South London
 
LarJgrip wrote:
You want proof?

Pick a nice clear summer night and lay on the grass and stare up into the heavens and while your staring up contemplate what you are actually seeing.

And while you're doing that think about all the things that are happening between the surface of your eye ball and neurons firing in your brain to make any of this possible. Proof, LOL just look around you.

Regarding your other point…

… hell was never meant for humans, it was meant for satan and his demons. But humans are going to spend eternity with their 'father'. Whether it be their Heavenly Father or their hellish father will be each persons choice.

Unfortunately, we are all cursed with a sin nature (thanks to Adam) and we are all doomed to hell.

But God in his mercy decided to come to earth in human form that is Jesus and die the death that we deserve and pay the penalty that we couldn't pay.

So you see God made a way where there was no way. We still have to choose, we can either accept his free gift of salvation or we can reject it.

But make no mistake, God is pleading with us and wanting to adopt us as his father.

I want to make something very clear to you Gnslngr, while you are thumbing your nose to God and calling Him a jerk, He loves you and is patiently waiting.

But you don't know if you're even going to be here by this time tomorrow. Don't wait, now is the acceptable time.
You want proof? br br Pick a nice clear summer n... (show quote)


Sounds like you have been brainwashed

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Mar 4, 2014 10:54:32   #
HEART Loc: God's Country - COLORADO
 
nicelifter wrote:
ok so lot of you dont think the bible is true ..you could always do what i did and just ask God into your heart and see what happens ..i did that and now i know its all true ...you have nothing to lose by trying but if your wrong you have alot to lose


:) :) May God continue to bless you! Thank you for encouraging the lost. :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Mar 4, 2014 11:00:12   #
LarJgrip Loc: The Fraser Valley
 
creativ simon wrote:
Sounds like you have been brainwashed


I guess that's one way of putting it…

My sins have been washed away by the blood of Jesus.

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Mar 4, 2014 11:06:54   #
Pine Tree Loc: Paragould Ar.
 
Jesus Christ died for our sins. There is a time coming when every knee will bow to him either out of love or fear.

I choose love because I have accepted Jesus Christ as my savior.

As we await the second coming I ask you if you will choose the smoking or no smoking section?

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Mar 4, 2014 11:08:08   #
murphy Loc: Georgia
 
Okay, I went on to read the "rest of the story". However, if those that don't agree with the one true God would educate themselves by studying scripture they would have the knowledge needed to make a decision. Every prophecy, of which they are numerous, has been proven "right on". These prophets came from different places and times without the knowledge of the others writings and all agree. Impossible for man and, of course, the Bible itself was not in existence for them to read. I don't think telling someone "Jesus loves you" works most of the time. However, true it is. Prophecy proves itself. One has to only watch the news to see the events mentioned in my earlier response is "happening now". Have a great day!

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Mar 4, 2014 11:15:36   #
nextclick Loc: Pennsylvania, USA
 
There's an old story that goes something like this: When the Israelites were in the desert basically making a mess of things, they were also getting very hungry and thirsty. The angels went to God and asked permission to go ahead and make life decent for these poor people. They felt great pity for the Israelites who really just wanted to be sure of good food, pure water, nice clothes, maybe some extra money or an ox, not to mention a stall to park it in. God heard the angels out. Then he said, "Go ahead, but you'll be sorry."

The angels were delighted. They sent the Israelites manna, but without God's original requirement that the Israelites gather enough for a single day at a time. Moreover, they sent all the manna the Israelites could want, along with other good and necessary things, which I will let to your imagination.

Life went well for a fews days among the Israelites. Then they began to complain about their situation. People complained about the quality and amount of the food, the choice of menu for the day, the color of their ox, the need for a new cloak or two. The list went on and on. Soon people began to express anger not only toward the angels and God, but also toward each other, since, of course, ownership of things had become quite an issue. Basically the angels could not seem to do anything right.

Exquisitely distressed because they were messengers of goodwill and generosity, the angels went to God. They asked why things had got so out of hand, since their motives in helping the Israelites had been purely good. God, although he was the essence of love, could not help reminding the angels of his warning. Then he suggested that the angels need not worry. The daily imports of all that the wanderers might want could stop, and the Israelites would return to rations of manna, which they would need to conserve but not hoard. They could praise God or argue with God, whatever worked for them at the moment. As long as God heard from them, God was reasonably content.

A point of all of this: All people need to figure out how to live. That project involves a great deal of bumbling around, as well as much frustration (some outbursts of that frustration being more sophisticated than others). But it also develops responsibility and openness. Responsibility comes from living within boundaries and making do. It also comes from recognizing what is precious. Openness comes from, again, recognizing what is uncommon or is uncommonly felt. For instance, some mountain scenery is uncommon, but it is precious only if people are open to its unusual qualities.

The same is true of spiritual concerns that life suggests to us. If everything is available upon demand, or perhaps more appropriately stated, available upon tantrum, nothing becomes sacred, and nobody grows up.

Instead, immature people try to limit God so that he conforms to what they expect. But who of us is so loving and creative that we could have created the Alps, the Seine, the tundra, or the Australian Outback? Who could have thought of the sea horse, of yeast and bread, of Brussels sprouts, or of the Venus fly trap? Who would have thought of you -- not to mention someone like me, the person behind these words whom you can only imagine -- and would have put you or me into the shoes that we fill, however inadequately?

I surely cannot describe God anymore fully than I can describe myself, and I am not talking about a simple physical description. The task is, as you know, exceedingly difficult. Perhaps, in view of such a realization about where infinity hides and of how intimate it is, one can at best hope to cultivate a sense of awe, a capacity for understanding, and a willingness to love others.

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Mar 4, 2014 11:22:54   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
jackare wrote:
It is the biggest scam ever perpetrated! along with all other religions. A way to control people.
Even if he had good intentions, the 'men' who have been in control since have corrupted the entire idea beyond belief!!


Can you tell me who it is that is in control and how that someone is using religion to control us? Am I missing something? As a Baptist, I don't know of anyone controlling my life. God has given me the freedom to choose.

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Mar 4, 2014 11:39:07   #
Papa Joe Loc: Midwest U.S.
 
[quote=LarJgrip]
Even though many powerful and influential people have tried to eradicate the world of him, his book and his followers by burning, torturing and murdering. His following continues to grow. Huh? Imagine that.


Thank you LarJgrip, for your very well worded opinions about my Savior, Jesus. I believe you have pointed out many great facts that might help to influence one or more 'non-believer' as to why they really ought to reconsider and investigate the matter.
When you drop down to sit on a chair, do you first inspect it to make sure it will hold you? I doubt it.. because you have faith that it will. Likewise it takes faith, not schooling, or high levels of 'intelligence' to believe and accept Jesus as Savior. All I can say is I have and there is no doubt in my mind that He is God. My prayer is that you too will (if you already haven't) experience the same. We are not 'sufficient to unto ourselves'... we need our God. Just takes faith. Jesus says, "unless you come to me with the faith like these children, you cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven". Sometimes too much 'smarts' tends to get in our way.

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Mar 4, 2014 11:44:04   #
Kombiguy Loc: Cedar Rapids, IA
 
winterrose wrote:
My question is not nonsensical, what it does is to demonstrate the absurdity of elevating an entity, which by the very fact that those who subscribe to the belief that the entity exists, must ascribe physical value boundaries to the entity in order to determine its existence. Just as an infinite distance can have no determinable point of departure, unlimited power, if it were to exist, can have no constraint.


No, you misunderstand both language and logic. But the real point of your question is entirely different. You're not seeking an answer to your question. You're seeking to demonstrate your cleverness to the believers. You think a display of sophistry is the same as serious thought. Your question has been dealt with and answered for over 2500 years. You don't like the answer because it denies you the illusion of cleverness.

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