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Dec 28, 2013 15:04:24   #
CResQ Loc: Cobble Hill, BC
 
My wife and I got married four and half years ago. To us it was so important to get the day's events recorded the way we wanted to remember it. We sort out the services of an award winning photographer whom we interviewed and was shown a slide show of his previous work. We hired him for our engagement photos and for the wedding day for a combined cost of $5000. Are we rich? NO!!!!!!! Was it worth paying that much? Absolutely every single penny. We wanted our wedding day pictures to be in B&W and to be candid shots, other than 3 posed shots we did not even know he was there. Truly professional, truly wonderful pictures. As with the engagement pictures our photographer presented a slide show of our wedding pictures and we chose which ones we wanted. All in all he gave us about 11 hours of his time, not including the processing and we have two wonderful albums.

I doubt very much if you would get the same from a person only charging $200. This is YOUR day, you only get one chance to record the memories. At the very least you should interview your potential photographer and ask to see his previous work, the old adage comes to mind, "You get what you pay for"

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Dec 28, 2013 15:51:35   #
Michael Lewis Loc: Tennessee
 
Weddingguy, as I stated those are my "play" shots. If you want to see others you are welcome to pay a consult fee. I do however prefer my photos to look like my clients and not Photoshop them into models. That is not photography to me. That becomes an airbrushed painting. I have never had to advertise, all my work comes from word of mouth and references. I never put the best I have on a site where people can just take what they want.
Besides if I listened to those that said I was bad, as you did, I would never have sold anything over the last three decades.
In fact I would not have shot for governors or generals.
But thank you for your opinion and feedback.
You have a blessed day and happy new year.

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Dec 28, 2013 16:50:16   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
Michael Lewis wrote:
Weddingguy, as I stated those are my "play" shots. If you want to see others you are welcome to pay a consult fee. I do however prefer my photos to look like my clients and not Photoshop them into models. That is not photography to me. That becomes an airbrushed painting. I have never had to advertise, all my work comes from word of mouth and references. I never put the best I have on a site where people cajust take what they want.
Besides if I listened to those that said I was bad, as you did, I would never have sold anything over the last three decades.
In fact I would not have shot for governors or generals.
But thank you for your opinion and feedback.
You have a blessed day and happy new year.
Weddingguy, as I stated those are my "play&qu... (show quote)


I haven't seen your pictures but come on" pay a consult fee" you are kidding. When I was working full time doing weddings we never charged a fee to sit down and talk with a potential customer. You are in hiding and maybe you are a world famous photographer and your work is that good but I'd never pay a fee to see someone's pictures!

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Dec 28, 2013 16:53:11   #
kiddrich
 
What is your consulting fee....I'll bite..............

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Dec 28, 2013 20:14:36   #
qasas3251 Loc: Shippensburg, PA
 
Wow, you guys sure give folks a lot to think about. I'm an amateur at this an just enjoy the living hell out of my hobby. I like a lot of armatures keep hearing your to good at what you do and should sell your work. One I don't feel I'm there yet and two I wouldn't know what to charge. I do know that there are a lot of kids out there that can't afford the kind of money your talking for a first rate Pro to take the photographs they all want. $3,500 dollars is a pretty steep price in my income bracket. I to believe a man should be paid an honest dollar for an honest days work. Have you thought about some of the other Pros and what they get paid for a days work. Is it really worth it. I work with ammunition and explosives for the US Army. I'm a GS-13 and make around $43 an hour. Yes I'm considered a pro but that is still a lot of money for what I do, and in comparison there were times I would have paid anyone $3,500 to get me out of the situation I was in. Just think about it. If the Pros were not charging those astronomical rates maybe more people would come to them instead of asking guys like me to do the job.

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Dec 28, 2013 20:48:40   #
cthahn
 
NewzShooter wrote:
Seems the craiglisters out there with a camera call themselves a pro and work for next to nothing, driving the going rate for photography way down. Your thoughts on this? What do YOU consider a fair rate today for different genres of photography such as portraits, weddings, pets, product, etc.?


There is no going rate. Those who work for nothing are just fooling themselves, and there work probably shows it. they do not last.

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Dec 28, 2013 21:11:20   #
Annie_Girl Loc: It's none of your business
 
I run what I consider a boutique photography studio and as such a I charge boutique pricing, my clients pay for top notch service that goes well beyond showing up at a local park and clicking my shutter button down.

In all honesty craiglist and the slap it all on a disk and hand it over "I'm not a professional" photographers are NOT my competition. The people that seek them out are not looking to hire me and I am perfectly fine with that. I'm not looking for budget shopping clients.

There are enough clients to go around in all price points, I can't cater to everyone.

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Dec 28, 2013 21:18:47   #
Annie_Girl Loc: It's none of your business
 
qasas3251 wrote:
Wow, you guys sure give folks a lot to think about. I'm an amateur at this an just enjoy the living hell out of my hobby. I like a lot of armatures keep hearing your to good at what you do and should sell your work. One I don't feel I'm there yet and two I wouldn't know what to charge. I do know that there are a lot of kids out there that can't afford the kind of money your talking for a first rate Pro to take the photographs they all want. $3,500 dollars is a pretty steep price in my income bracket. I to believe a man should be paid an honest dollar for an honest days work. Have you thought about some of the other Pros and what they get paid for a days work. Is it really worth it. I work with ammunition and explosives for the US Army. I'm a GS-13 and make around $43 an hour. Yes I'm considered a pro but that is still a lot of money for what I do, and in comparison there were times I would have paid anyone $3,500 to get me out of the situation I was in. Just think about it. If the Pros were not charging those astronomical rates maybe more people would come to them instead of asking guys like me to do the job.
Wow, you guys sure give folks a lot to think about... (show quote)


Have you heard the phrase "work smarter, not harder"?

Look at it this way (how it was explained to me when I was told I wasn't charging enough for my skill set and I had 4 or 5 sessions every weekend).

Would you rather shot 5 sessions a week and earn $500 or do 1 session a week and make $1,000?

I use to charge $100 a session, put 20 - 30 images on a disk and call it a day... I made $500 a week and thought I was doing wonderfully, I was working myself to death. I never saw my family (worked a full-time demanding job plus did photography on the weekends).

Now I charge $350 just to get on my calendar (non-refundable), I sell prints not digital files with a $400 print order minimum ($150 of my session fee goes toward a print credit), so even before I push the shutter button down, I have made $600. My print packages start at $700. I'd rather run my business this way and be profitable, relaxed and love what I do, than run from session to session and burn out for less money.

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Dec 28, 2013 22:33:05   #
qasas3251 Loc: Shippensburg, PA
 
All I'm trying to get across what do you Pro's do when you sit down with a couple kids just starting out in life and can't afford the kind of money you want for doing their photos. Don't get me wrong here. I know your in this as a business and a lively hood. I'm an armature and quite happy helping the military send very bad people to hell. I still have a conscious though and at the end of the day I need to be able to look at the guy in the mirror and say we did good today no matter what the job. Just tell us what we should charge then for the talent that we have and for offering those kids just a disc. Because at the end of the day there will be a lot of people that can't afford you. And will struggle to afford probably a couple hundred from me. But I will be better that Uncle BOB with his instamatic.

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Dec 28, 2013 22:45:49   #
Annie_Girl Loc: It's none of your business
 
qasas3251 wrote:
All I'm trying to get across what do you Pro's do when you sit down with a couple kids just starting out in life and can't afford the kind of money you want for doing their photos. Don't get me wrong here. I know your in this as a business and a lively hood. I'm an armature and quite happy helping the military send very bad people to hell. I still have a conscious though and at the end of the day I need to be able to look at the guy in the mirror and say we did good today no matter what the job. Just tell us what we should charge then for the talent that we have and for offering those kids just a disc. Because at the end of the day there will be a lot of people that can't afford you. And will struggle to afford probably a couple hundred from me. But I will be better that Uncle BOB with his instamatic.
All I'm trying to get across what do you Pro's do ... (show quote)


The cold hard truth is, I don't really care what you charge. It's your business, your time, your equipment and your skill. Charge what you feel comfortable charging, deliver your product any way you feel is best for you and your business. It's really that simple. I do believe that you need to registered with the IRS, pay your taxes, collect sales tax, register your business with your local gov't agencies and have insurance. Other than that, I really couldn't care how you run your busines

I know there is a lot of people that can't afford my price structure, do I feel bad about it? Not at all, photography is a luxury item, it is not needed to survive, I am not denying anyone a necessity in life. If you can't afford my services or don't feel they are worth saving for, then I encourage you to find a photographer that is in your price range. :)

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Dec 28, 2013 23:00:51   #
faygo Loc: Tucson, AZ
 
What is composite work? probably a stupid question, but I won't learn if I don't ask.

kcornman wrote:
Funny we are talking about this now as my daughter is currently planning her wedding. I was asked if I wanted to do the photography, which I quickly and firmly declined--I'm not, nor do I ever want to be, a wedding photographer. Besides, not only are there some amazing pros, way beyond my skills, who specialize in capturing these events, frankly, I want to kick back and enjoy the party.

So I gave them a few contacts and after speaking to two of them, my daughter comes back and tells me that the groom's family seems to think the prices they are getting are a little expensive. They tell her that they have a "friend" who can do it for much less than the two quotes she has gotten so far.

This last weekend, I took her over to my friend's place, a gal who also specializes in weddings, to walk her through just what she is getting and the differences to look for between Pros, as well as Pro vs "friend."

Frankly, I was surprised, and impressed with, just how much more Pro's now include with their service just to keep up and compete in todays market. Daughter was too. She is now certain she will go with a pro, and I offered to cover the bill as my gift. On a side note, one she interviewed this week, and really liked, also includes a couple composite creations as part of her package--and from the little I saw, she does some amazing composite work.
Funny we are talking about this now as my daughter... (show quote)

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Dec 28, 2013 23:03:33   #
CHuckle's Loc: Lockhart, Texas
 
Annie_Girl wrote:
The cold hard truth is, I don't really care what you charge. It's your business, your time, your equipment and your skill. Charge what you feel comfortable charging, deliver your product any way you feel is best for you and your business. It's really that simple. I do believe that you need to registered with the IRS, pay your taxes, collect sales tax, register your business with your local gov't agencies and have insurance. Other than that, I really couldn't care how you run your busines

I know there is a lot of people that can't afford my price structure, do I feel bad about it? Not at all, photography is a luxury item, it is not needed to survive, I am not denying anyone a necessity in life. If you can't afford my services or don't feel they are worth saving for, then I encourage you to find a photographer that is in your price range. :)
The cold hard truth is, I don't really care what y... (show quote)


ALL your posts are very well said! Photography IS a luxury just like picture framing. If you just want a frame, go to a big box store, if you want your wall art to last go to a pro frame shop! Likewise in photography, if you want the best it will come at a cost just like anything else in life. Even at your boutique level costs I KNOW how much work it takes for the session or remote shoot to come together. Anyone can click a button, BUT it takes a pro with experience to create that magical/wow factor image for THE wedding shot!

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Dec 28, 2013 23:04:48   #
RRS Loc: Not sure
 
Annie_Girl wrote:
The cold hard truth is, I don't really care what you charge. It's your business, your time, your equipment and your skill. Charge what you feel comfortable charging, deliver your product any way you feel is best for you and your business. It's really that simple. I do believe that you need to registered with the IRS, pay your taxes, collect sales tax, register your business with your local gov't agencies and have insurance. Other than that, I really couldn't care how you run your busines

I know there is a lot of people that can't afford my price structure, do I feel bad about it? Not at all, photography is a luxury item, it is not needed to survive, I am not denying anyone a necessity in life. If you can't afford my services or don't feel they are worth saving for, then I encourage you to find a photographer that is in your price range. :)
The cold hard truth is, I don't really care what y... (show quote)


Annie Girl is 100% right! Think, it's a business! I've known some very good photographers that didn't know how to run a business and as good as they behind a camera they failed! On the other hand I've also known people that were good in business and learned photography as they went. They took all the classes they could get and would ask the right questions and they now make a very good living in photography! There will come a time that you realize that your hobby is now a business and you will know what to charge. No one can do that for you!

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Dec 29, 2013 01:19:21   #
jlrivera Loc: Round Lake, Illinois
 
Weddingguy wrote:
I respectfully suggest that the pictures on "www.facebook.com/daddytakespictures" are not that of a professional photographer. I can understand why you don't bother "editing" your images, because with that quality level it would be redundant. Honestly now . . are you suggesting that that is the quality that would satisfy a B&G's desire for a wedding album to pass on to their children and grandchildren?

I don't believe the "problem" of the deteriorating wedding photography business is the fault of the aspiring photographer . . . I believe it is the fault of the public with their newly developed "Walmart" attitude of "it's good enough".
For those "photographers" that choose to supply the "good enough" product . . . have at it . . . you are being joined by hundreds of thousands of new Rebel owners who are also told by loving friends and relatives . . "you should go into the photo business . . . you pictures are so much better than I get with my iPhone"
I respectfully suggest that the pictures on "... (show quote)


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Dec 29, 2013 04:55:28   #
wj cody Loc: springfield illinois
 
i do believe if you want archival, the only way to go is film. it is analog and with proper care, will last at least 100 years. we've just finished printing a 105 year old glass plate negative, which will now reside in a museum in the State of Maine.

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