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Dec 27, 2011 05:51:01   #
EricLPT Loc: Jonesborough TN
 
Dunatic wrote:


I enjoy Infrared photography. I used to do it years ago with color slide film using my Minolta SLR. I have a few really interesting photos. I never really tried with my Canon T3i or Rebel XS. Is it a setting in the camera that you use to produce Infrared in digital or in PS? I'll have to try it sometimes. But, I love the unusual photos. I enjoy the creative process ingetting an unusual photo. Good job on your photos. Cheryl


Cheryl,

Thank you for your feedback, I'm glad that you enjoy the photos in this post. I have enjoyed your photos that I have seen here at UH.

See my response to PrestonPhoto above about IR with a DSLR.

Unfortunately there is no 'magic button' or special setting on the Canon rebel to shoot IR. There is an el cheapo Bell & Howell P&S camera with an IR setting though.

If you have any more questions, I'll do my best to answer them.

Eric

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Dec 27, 2011 06:09:12   #
EricLPT Loc: Jonesborough TN
 
prestonphoto wrote:
Ok - question here. Was checking out different IR filters on Amazon looking to buy one - problem I ran into - 720nm and 760mn was for indoor low light, 900nm and 950nm for outdoor bright light. Since 99% of my photography is outdoors I assume I get the 900nm or 950nm. Yet I know what assume can get you too. So........which nm are you guys using? AND - does anyone know how much difference there is between the indoor and outdoor nm? I'm really excited to start doing this and want to be on the right path in this adventure. Thanks
Ok - question here. Was checking out different IR ... (show quote)


I use a Hoya R72 (720nm) almost exclusively, indoors and out. Actually I don't shoot much indoors with IR, unless you've got pretty strong sun coming through a window and shining directly on your subject, indoor IR is pretty blah. I have heard of one guy who put a colored gel (don't remember what color though) on his flash and got decent results with that.

Go back to the beginning of this thread and read the posts carefully, check out the links, view the photos again, and do a little homework. You have a lot of enthusiasm for IR and I don't want you to get frustrated and give up on it. IR is not particularly difficult with the right gear, capture, and processing technique, and I'm willing to share all that I know. I just want you to understand what you are getting into. I'm not trying to scare you, I just want you to know IR, like all types of photography, takes some practice.

Eric

ps an indoor IR photo taken yesterday, I was testing a new camera for IR sensitivity. Weak sunlight, it was pretty overcast yesterday, coming through a widow. Not a great photo but I think under better IR conditions this camera has promise.



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Dec 27, 2011 07:36:02   #
PW4GDF
 
Good Morning Eric,
Well I did as you said, I took out UZI yesterday, handheld, (yes I was a non believer!) It was slightly breezy day, we went to a wildlife refuge on Merritt Island, Florida, we are fortunate to have foliage all year round, the palm fronds and mangroves seem to really respond to IR as do many other trees. I used the camera on the P setting only, (I will now make the changes you suggested that I read when I got home.)I now need to get a step up ring for this lens as I was hand holding it to the camera while shooting images. I may try masking tape today to hold it in place............? Anyway I am thrilled with the results. Thanks you so much. So here are some pictures. Comments, critique welcome.
Regards,
Wendy
Cocoa, Florida

Blue Herons
Blue Herons...

Great Egret in the mangroves
Great Egret in the mangroves...

Florida Foliage
Florida Foliage...

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Dec 27, 2011 08:50:10   #
EricLPT Loc: Jonesborough TN
 
PW4GDF wrote:
Good Morning Eric,
Well I did as you said, I took out UZI yesterday, handheld, (yes I was a non believer!) It was slightly breezy day, we went to a wildlife refuge on Merritt Island, Florida, we are fortunate to have foliage all year round, the palm fronds and mangroves seem to really respond to IR as do many other trees. I used the camera on the P setting only, (I will now make the changes you suggested that I read when I got home.)I now need to get a step up ring for this lens as I was hand holding it to the camera while shooting images. I may try masking tape today to hold it in place............? Anyway I am thrilled with the results. Thanks you so much. So here are some pictures. Comments, critique welcome.
Regards,
Wendy
Cocoa, Florida
Good Morning Eric, br Well I did as you said, I to... (show quote)


Wendy,

Those are great IR pics for a first timer and holding the filter on the lens. I think you can see the highlights are a little too hot with no detail in the brightest parts, but spot metering will take care of that. I see a little noise in the sky on the first one, but I have noise in my skies about 1/2 the time too. The UZI applies pretty aggressive sharpening to its images, maybe to make up for the small MP count? Post processing also seems to bring out some noise too. I sometimes select the sky and Gaussian Blur the heck out of it to get rid of the noise.

Looking forward to more from you soon,

Eric

ps don't forget the pano function on your UZI, IR panos rock! Note the blown highlights on the cloud in the upper left corner, dangit! Thank goodness the rest of the image is exposed correctly

http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq294/EricLPT/Panorama%20Madness/blowingrockpanoa.jpg

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Dec 27, 2011 10:48:31   #
prestonphoto Loc: Bath, NY
 
EricLPT wrote:
prestonphoto wrote:
OMG!!! I've been playing in photography for 10 years now and have never even heard of IR - or seen pictures of it. Where have I been????? The pictures posted on here are BEAUTIFUL!!!! I just went on Amazon to check out the IR filter - $19.95!!! It's amazing how such a cheap piece of equipment can produce such quality photos. Unreal!!! Thank you all for opening my eyes to another world of photography. Thank you, thank you, thank you................


Wow, now that's some enthusiastic feedback!

IR is a little more complicated for most cameras (especially DSLR's) than just slapping a filter on the end of your lens and shooting. A good IR filter, I recommend the Hoya R72, will run you about 50-100 bucks, depending on the filter size.

Most DSLR's have an internal 'hot mirror' or IR filter that greatly diminishes IR light from reaching the sensor. This results in seconds long exposures. Unfortunately DSLR's need to be modded, or altered (have the hot mirror removed), to be able to shoot IR handheld. After being modded they can shoot IR only, so it is a pretty big commitment.

Used IR modded camera bodies can be found on ebay. Page 2 of this thread has a post on how to check for IR sensitivity with your camera. Also be sure to check out the links in the very first post for more IR information.

There are several older P&S cameras (look back through the posts for a partial list), where all is needed is a filter, and a cheap filter from ebay would be the way to go for a P&S rig, but that is a pretty short list. That is the most economical way to try IR and see if it is right for you.

The purpose of this thread was to introduce IR to others and encourage them to try it. Like most things in life, it gets a little bit more complicated the more you find out, but Wendy in Cocoa FL just happened to have an IR sensitive P&S in her closet, and had just received an IR filter so she was good to go with minimal expense.

TraceyG had a DSLR gathering dust in her closet and sent it off to be modded, a bit more expensive than Wendy, but she has a DSLR IR rig now with interchangeable lenses.

I'm not trying to discourage you, I want to encourage you to investigate IR further and then start shooting IR yourself.

Any more questions and I'll try to answer them as best I can.

Eric
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Thank you very much for the info Eric. You didn't discourage me any - you just opened my eyes as to what I have to do to get into this. I know I can just invert the photos I take but after seeing these, taking inverted pictures seems to be more intense - more personal. I've got to read back thru all the pages - start from the beginning. I got so excited seeing this last night thinking about what I could do with this I just forgot to do what I should have done. Like not looking where you're walking and end up in the ocean. hahaha Again - thank you.

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Dec 27, 2011 11:57:02   #
PW4GDF
 
Prepare to become addicted, I have probably taken close to 1500 pictures since I got my lens a couple of weeks ago, of course most of them have not made it past Photoshop but I am learning and loving it!
Wendy
Cocoa, Florida

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Dec 27, 2011 15:58:17   #
prestonphoto Loc: Bath, NY
 
Thanks to everyone for your pictures, advice and links. A LOT of valuable info here and I feel I'm going to be very well educated getting into this. Wendy - you're probably right - I'll get prepared to be addicted while studying all the info here. hahaha You all are so wonderful sharing what you know and your experiences with this.

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Dec 28, 2011 15:26:20   #
Dheaton Loc: Boulder, Utah
 
There are some great images on here with some good information. I have a converted Nikon D100 and it has been sitting for a while. I will have to get it back out and see what I can do.

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Dec 28, 2011 16:44:46   #
EricLPT Loc: Jonesborough TN
 
Dheaton wrote:
There are some great images on here with some good information. I have a converted Nikon D100 and it has been sitting for a while. I will have to get it back out and see what I can do.


Dheaton,

You have a converted DSLR just sitting around?!!?

Like my older brother used to say, "You don't need that, give it to me." ;-)

Eric

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Dec 28, 2011 18:19:31   #
PW4GDF
 
Hello again Eric, I, and I am sure many others appreciate the time you are spending on this subject. Thank you so much.
Well, an update from Cocoa Florida. I decided to attach the big IR lens to my little UZI who fortunately has all of his moving parts inside. My husband and I taped very glamorous bright green automotive masking tape to the end of his 'snout' to the camera that is and not the husband! Yes it worked and the lens is now attached, I do not have to hand hold the lens but have amazing results hand holding the camera! I followed the advice you kindly gave me. I have been out each day and have taken many pictures of water and foliage, plenty of that here. But it was suggested buildings and I was ready for a change. Today I went out and I am attaching three pictures, again please for critique and comments. That little old UZI is amazing, sky noise, almost gone!
Thank you Eric
Regards,
Wendy
Cocoa, Florida

The Library at Brevard Community College Cocoa Campus
The Library at Brevard Community College Cocoa Cam...

Seen outside of a bar..............
Seen outside of a bar.................

Palm trees in Florida, always look good.
Palm trees in Florida, always look good....

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Dec 28, 2011 18:31:18   #
llindstrand Loc: Seattle Metro
 
EricLPT wrote:
Due to massive popular demand (OK, one person suggested it), I thought I would open up an IR posting thread. If you have any IR pics or IR questions this will be your go to thread, hopefully.

For a brief overview of IR photography visit Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrared_photography

For some amazing work and a UH type forum on IR visit here:
http://irphotocom.proboards.com/index.cgi?

To post your own IR photos and questions visit this thread ;-).

I'll do my best to answer any questions about IR you have and if I can't answer them I'll direct you to a website that can.

Now then here's a few IR photos of mine, I'd love to see some of yours.

Looking forward to your posts,

Eric
Due to massive popular demand (OK, one person sugg... (show quote)


Those are impressive. The second one, when you first look at it, looks like the two towers are floating in space. It gives the image a surreal appearance!

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Dec 28, 2011 18:41:02   #
llindstrand Loc: Seattle Metro
 
There are really some great images in this post. I'll add a couple of my own. Comments are appreciated.

Sunrise on the Olympic Peninsual
Sunrise on the Olympic Peninsual...

Mt Rainier
Mt Rainier...

Washington Park Arboretum
Washington Park Arboretum...

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Dec 28, 2011 18:50:06   #
EricLPT Loc: Jonesborough TN
 
PW4GDF wrote:
Hello again Eric, I, and I am sure many others appreciate the time you are spending on this subject. Thank you so much.
Well, an update from Cocoa Florida. I decided to attach the big IR lens to my little UZI who fortunately has all of his moving parts inside. My husband and I taped very glamorous bright green automotive masking tape to the end of his 'snout' to the camera that is and not the husband! Yes it worked and the lens is now attached, I do not have to hand hold the lens but have amazing results hand holding the camera! I followed the advice you kindly gave me. I have been out each day and have taken many pictures of water and foliage, plenty of that here. But it was suggested buildings and I was ready for a change. Today I went out and I am attaching three pictures, again please for critique and comments. That little old UZI is amazing, sky noise, almost gone!
Thank you Eric
Regards,
Wendy
Cocoa, Florida
Hello again Eric, I, and I am sure many others app... (show quote)


Wendy, You are welcome, I'm just trying to spread the IR gospel ;-).

Great photos, no blown highlights, noise almost gone, and some great subjects too, I wouldn't change a thing in any of them. I particularly like the college shot, I'm a sucker for repeating patterns.

If you have any willing people models (I don't), IR is great for evening out skin tones and hiding blemishes; it does make the eyes a bit funky though. The iris and pupil merge to a large black hole in the center of the eye. Fabric can be interesting in IR too, that 'IR sees through clothing' myth is a bunch of crap. You never know how light or dark a fabric looks in IR until you shoot it, I've seen jet black stuff turn a pale grey. Clouds in general and building/fading storms are great in IR, but you probably don't get much of that in FL ;-).

One small point, you keep saying 'lens' when I think you mean 'filter', it just took me a second to get it straight in my head.

Eagerly awaiting your next photos,

Eric

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Dec 28, 2011 19:24:09   #
blacks2 Loc: SF. Bay area
 
I am not sure I am doing this right, but here are two IR images.

Yosemite in infrared.
Yosemite in infrared....

SF. Bay scene.
SF. Bay scene....

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Dec 28, 2011 19:49:03   #
EricLPT Loc: Jonesborough TN
 
llindstrand wrote:
There are really some great images in this post. I'll add a couple of my own. Comments are appreciated.


Swede,

Those are very interesting images, the foliage and light/dark areas are just a bit different, nothing I can put my finger on, just different. What equipment/settings did you use? It might be your post processing technique too.

I like them a lot, post more soon.

Eric

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