jcboy3

If you look through an optical viewfinder, you will see what is out there. What you won't see is what the image you take will look like. Mirrorless cameras show you what you will get when you take the picture. I watch many DSLR shooters take pictures and then try to look at the image on the LCD to see what they got. With mirrorless, I see in the viewfinder what I'm taking, and what I took, and I can enlarge it and inspect it and not have to shade my eyes in the bright sunlight.

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States

After the fact if I don't have Live View on...
I have a live view option if I elect to use it.
It's extremely rare that I do though.
Now tell me that my live preview is not "real time"....
I don't need "real time", but it sounds like you do for some reason.
Yea, we each are different, or SHOULD I be shooting in real time? If so, why?
What is so magical about live view/real time???

If I take multiple shots, I cannot see the previous shot preview anymore. It goes away when I shoot another shot, just like mirrorless.

Thanks, but it sounds like you believe things work out better for you than they do for me.

Perception.....

SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA

Everyone will adopt it eventually, unless they shoot Pentax.

ken_stern Loc: Yorba Linda, Ca

Does the so-called Mirrorless EVF advantage matter at all - that is assuming you haven't totally blown your settings - If you are shooting in raw????

SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA

Because he pointed out the error in your statement?

Ysarex Loc: St. Louis

Yes, absolutely. Live-view exposure aids (highlight clipping warning & histogram) can remove all metering uncertainty -- perfect exposure every time no bracketing, no second guessing the meter, no need to chimp, just click the shutter and know you nailed it.

TOG Loc: Sacramento Valley

I'm with you......

TOG Loc: Sacramento Valley

"AMEN"

b top gun

How many times has this subject (DSLR vs Mirrorless) been beaten into the ground here???

For what it's worth, the proof for me has always been on paper. I see no difference in IQ between shots taken by a D7100, a D850 or a Z8...I have used all three with the same FX mount lenses. The advantage to the D850 and Z8, I can provide a much bigger print if the customer is interested. How I get that image does not matter.

IBIS is a nice option to have, as is the live histogram, yet I survived before they were part of the camera system. One thing I do like about the Z8, I get to preview a black and white shot before I take it.

I challenge the comment that live view exposure aids can remove all metering uncertainty; what about ND filters which I have not used on a Z8 yet? I use the histogram as a guideline; it gets me close.

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I made regular use of the LV mode of my SLRs, but SLR LV reeeeeally sux bad. Its klunky and its slow and acoarst its never viewable in the eyepiece. So, I made the obvious upgrade to full time LV cameras.

Beenthere

[quote=CHG_CANON]Please, it's more than newer, bigger, stronger sensors.

Beenthere

WHAT CHG_CANON SAID!!

Ysarex Loc: St. Louis

I already responded to this but I had an opportunity and went ahead and snapped an example for you. The answer is yes, absolutely. See the photo below.

So I grabbed some odd items, put them on the couch and took a snap with my Z7. The raw file is a perfect exposure. My definition of a perfect exposure is an exposure that fully utilizes the recording capacity of the sensor. With that exposure I have the best possible SNR and the best possible data to work with. Note the upper right corner inset. You see a raw histogram with exposure stats and EXIF data. To get a perfect exposure I place the diffuse highlight in the scene at the sensor clipping threshold and click. Note the exposure stats column in the yellow circle. The red channel is not at clipping, the blue channel is not at clipping and the green channel has just made it there with less than 1% clipped. I have the green channel just barely touching the sensor saturation threshold. You can't expose with that kind of precision using a DSLR and I'll never go back to one. I can do what I did here with any subject in any lighting condition every time. NOTE the EXIF data and the EC value used. I set the camera to expose +2.3 stops above the meter reading. Using a DSLR how would you have known to do that with precision and certainty knowing the raw file exposure was perfect when you clicked the shutter release?

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TonyP Loc: New Zealand

How did you cope I wonder, while waiting for someone to invent your mirrorless camera.