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Mar 18, 2024 18:46:20   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
fantom wrote:
Mighty short sighted view, or just limited requirements in your shooting habits.

What in the world is short sighted about not being interested in the operational characteristics?
I HAVE NO NEED FOR THEM.

Because I'm not interested in them? Really?
Mighty opinionated of you......

Dang.

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Mar 18, 2024 20:00:58   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Rongnongno wrote:
The progress is in the sensor, nowhere else.

The idea of using a display instead of through the lens is reverting to old time when folks were looking from above to focus...

Issues with the display...
- LIGHT!!! If too bright, good luck using the display.
- Eyes issue If one needs glasses all bets are off, there is no way to adjust for that but use the tiny in camera display in the 'view finder'. Go check for accuracy on that since the display is made of tiny pixels vs 'a normal light' (analog)
- Weight unbalance. (Light body, heavy lens)

That is one of the few reasons why I will not upgrade to mirrorless, even if I do appreciate the new sensors.
The progress is in the sensor, nowhere else. br b... (show quote)


I think you should borrow or rent one and see what it's all about. I used SLRs and dSLRs and many other types of cameras before switching to mirrorless. The transition took about one day to get used to, and that was with a 2014 camera design in 2015. I have no regrets! There were a few things I wouldn't use that camera for, but I don't do those sorts of photography. All those things have been addressed quite nicely since then. The very latest flagship models are excellent.

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Mar 18, 2024 20:34:41   #
bikinkawboy Loc: north central Missouri
 
CHG Canon just keeps firing away! He also has some very original lines!

One thing he missed is the environmentally conscious people buy electric cars to save the world. I’m sure going mirrorless will also save the world one way or another. Maybe put the mirror making military industrial complex in their place when nobody wants mirrors.

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Mar 18, 2024 20:47:06   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
I am not tempted to buy a mirrorless camera because I have 3 DSLRs that all work. My photography has decreased after I retired and what I have fills my needs. I do not plan to fix things that aren't broken. I have no desire to buy a high performance car. I don't want a boat because I am not attracted to water based activities.

I would probably buy a new computer because a lot of my retirement 'work' is computer based and I do things that are compute-bound so I like to have a good CPU speed.

I went to a party the other day and took a bunch of photos of the people at an 80th birthday. With my DSLR. Everyone else used their phones and posted the pix to Google Photos. It took me a couple days to get my photos processed and ready to post because I had other things to do (my wife makes sure of that). So my photos will be posted last, but IMHO they will be worth the wait. That would not change if I had the latest camera body. (I have LR/PS and Topaz so I have the latest software). Not having a mirrorless, I have not done the experiment, but I don't believe it would improve my photos.

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Mar 18, 2024 21:10:54   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
ken_stern wrote:
You're right it's all about the sensors & I for one like seeing in real-time


Then, I guess you'd like a Mirrorless body as they are the only ones which let you see in real time, while the DLSR blacks out when the mirror moves so the shutter can fire. When using a mirrorless, the viewfinder doesn't black out during a shot(s), so you can actually see what you've got. Quite a thrill! Best of luck.

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Mar 18, 2024 21:11:14   #
User ID
 
selmslie wrote:
Of course it's nonsense.

You only need to look at the camera Flange focal distance table to see why.

Any flange distance close to the lens focal length is likely to need some form of retrofocus design. For example, any Nikon FX lens shorter than 50mm (flange distance=46.5) will need some degree of retrofocus design.

That becomes more challenging (and expensive) the shorter the focal length. That's one of the reasons the Nikon Z flange distance is 18mm.

It also explains why there are so many inexpensive wide-angle lenses showing up the Sony E mount (18mm flange distance) and Nikon Z mount.
Of course it's nonsense. br br You only need to... (show quote)

FWIW, The E and Z cannot possibly BOTH be 18mm deep, cuz Ive got an adapter to use E lenses on Z cameras. Check your specs.

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Mar 18, 2024 21:23:09   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
Rongnongno wrote:
The progress is in the sensor, nowhere else.

The idea of using a display instead of through the lens is reverting to old time when folks were looking from above to focus...

Issues with the display...
- LIGHT!!! If too bright, good luck using the display.
- Eyes issue If one needs glasses all bets are off, there is no way to adjust for that but use the tiny in camera display in the 'view finder'. Go check for accuracy on that since the display is made of tiny pixels vs 'a normal light' (analog)
- Weight unbalance. (Light body, heavy lens)

That is one of the few reasons why I will not upgrade to mirrorless, even if I do appreciate the new sensors.
The progress is in the sensor, nowhere else. br b... (show quote)


It's pretty obvious that you have absolutely no idea about mirrorless cameras as everything you stated is incorrect. If you wish to continue to use old, outdated technology, that's just fine. No need to confuse others. Best of luck.

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Mar 18, 2024 21:38:24   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
User ID wrote:
FWIW, The E and Z cannot possibly BOTH be 18mm deep, cuz Ive got an adapter to use E lenses on Z cameras. Check your specs.

Thanks, I corrected it. The Z mount is 16mm.

E to Z is a mighty thin adapter.

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Mar 18, 2024 21:40:14   #
jeffhacker Loc: Dallas, Texas
 
I’m laughing. I have had numerous DSLR’s before and now have a Z6ii and a Z7ii. Do I like my mirrorless better than my old D500 or D7200, yes. But it is because I’m now full frame rather than DX (Crop focus). Whether or not you switch to mirrorless is a subjective decision. DSLR’s can take excellent pictures and one may or may not consider one or the other superior. But they both work. Use what you prefer and enjoy your camera. If you don’t use it, you’re missing out.

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Mar 18, 2024 21:40:42   #
ken_stern Loc: Yorba Linda, Ca
 
cjc2 wrote:
Then, I guess you'd like a Mirrorless body as they are the only ones which let you see in real time, while the DLSR blacks out when the mirror moves so the shutter can fire. When using a mirrorless, the viewfinder doesn't black out during a shot(s), so you can actually see what you've got. Quite a thrill! Best of luck.


What an obnoxious fellow you are

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Mar 18, 2024 21:44:43   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
cjc2 wrote:
Then, I guess you'd like a Mirrorless body as they are the only ones which let you see in real time, while the DLSR blacks out when the mirror moves so the shutter can fire. When using a mirrorless, the viewfinder doesn't black out during a shot(s), so you can actually see what you've got. Quite a thrill! Best of luck.

Interesting.
I have my DSLR set to display the captured image for 5 seconds after shooting so I can see what I got.

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Mar 18, 2024 21:53:37   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
Longshadow wrote:
Interesting.
I have my DSLR set to display the captured image for 5 seconds after shooting so I can see what I got.

With mirrorless you can see it before you shoot. It's always live view.

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Mar 18, 2024 21:56:03   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
selmslie wrote:
With mirrorless you can see it before you shoot. It's always live view.

I have a live view option if I elect to use it.
It's extremely rare that I do though.

So that would not make me jump into mirrorless......

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Mar 18, 2024 21:59:34   #
bikinkawboy Loc: north central Missouri
 
For you folks that think old and dated is bad and new and fresh is good, if you’re still married you better not let your spouse hear you say that. For us older gents, surely some young ditzy coed that giggles at all of your old worn out jokes is going to provide a more satisfying relationship than with your tried and true spouse of however many decades.

With everything new and improved, there’s usually a teeter totter relationship with what it replaced. For example, my mom paid $50 in 1949 for her heavy, metal Sunbeam electric mixer. 50 years later I gave half that for a nice plastic cased one from Wal Mart. It was quieter, lighter, more speeds, couple of glass bowls and so on. A year later my son used it to make bread and stripped the plastic gears. Mom’s old Sunbeam was still running.

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Mar 18, 2024 22:08:33   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
Longshadow wrote:
Interesting.
I have my DSLR set to display the captured image for 5 seconds after shooting so I can see what I got.


That doesn't happen in "real time" but it is after-the-fact. What happens if you take multiple shots? Best of luck.

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