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Jan 18, 2024 08:40:51   #
Vaun's photography Loc: Bonney Lake, WA
 
I almost exclusively use my cellphone cameras even though I own several dedicated cameras. I do very limited post processing.

My current phone can shoot both RAW and JPEG, and has multiple lenses.

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Jan 18, 2024 08:44:23   #
Jimmy T Loc: Virginia
 
billnikon wrote:
This topic has been discussed here many many many many many many many many many, did I say many times.
Cell phones do a great job capturing GENERAL subjects. At my nephews recent wedding inside an old train station with limited light it did a great job capturing my wife and I with the groom and his brother.
Cell phones are very good for these types of situations. Also, when I want a difficult part, I will record it with my cell phone and take the image to the hardware store to show the clerk exactly what I need instead of describing it. And when my wife and I rent a car we take many images of the car so that if there is the slightest damage we can prove by the date it was there before we drove off the rental lot.
HOWEVER, for my professional wildlife photography, no cell phone can match my Sony a1 or a9 and my Sony 600mm f4. So below is an example of my cell phone and a9.
This topic has been discussed here many many many ... (show quote)


Perfectly Stated Plus Great Examples . . .

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Jan 18, 2024 08:50:27   #
Fstop12 Loc: Kentucky
 
scoundrel wrote:
I doubt that many hedgehogs use the cameras in their cell phones more than occasionally or in photographic emergencies where they don't have their main gear with them. If you are an exception to this rule, I want to hear from you. I don't even have a modern cell phone; just a clamshell phone that has a camera that I never used, even for a test shot.

Cell phones these days can produce decent enough image quality for casual work, such as family events and holidays. That said, how often do you use your cell phone in this way as opposed to a dedicated camera (if any)?

How controllable are its settings and which does it have: manual shutter speed, aperture, ISO sensitivity, white balance? Does it have scene modes and, if so, do you use them? Does it have a capture mode other than JPEG? Some have more than one lens. About what angle of coverage does your camera have for each? (Don't forget to specify long dimension, short dimension, or diagonal.) Does your phone have on-camera flash? If so, can you disable it? How is your camera's performance in dim light (How low can you go?) What is your flash's range, if you have one?

Does your phone have a photographic feature that you are especially proud of? That you wish it had but doesn't? That you use a lot?

Describe your favorite technique(s) for holding your phone steady when long exposures are expected.
I doubt that many hedgehogs use the cameras in the... (show quote)


I suspect your post will garner pages upon pages of opinions about Smartphone Photography. Here is mine:
As someone that has been the route of lugging around a backpack full of lenses, filters, attached Tripod,etc I can honestly say that I now find shooting with my IPhone 13 Pro Max very liberating. Do I care what other people think when they see me shooting with my IPhone? Absolutely not! Do Smartphone cameras have their limitations? Without a doubt they do. One just has to accept that and adapt. Smartphone photography is an enjoyable experience for me. I like exploring the creative possibilites of different camera and editing apps. At the end of the day, Photography is supposed to be fun and for me, I am enjoying the Smartphone camera journey. As with most things in life, your milage may vary. In the meantime, here are the 2023 IPhone Photography Award winning images. https://www.ippawards.com/2023-winners-landscape/?v=7516fd43adaa



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Jan 18, 2024 08:55:46   #
coolhanduke Loc: Redondo Beach, CA
 
I have a Z9 and a D850.
I recently bought an iPhone 15 Pro Max.
Took it on a 10 day foilage trip back east, left Nikons behind.
I did a report of my experience.
As it’s been suggested, there is an iPhone section.
You will probably find answers to all of your questions there.

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Jan 18, 2024 08:57:21   #
brentrh Loc: Deltona, FL
 
Future is here for phone cameras. Using a smartphone camera with its limitations results are excellent. You can post process with software from your camera various adjustments are there at your fingertips. Laws of physics comes in to play with pixel size. Larger camera sensors of DSL type cameras and ability to charge lenses produce superior results for larger prints. So all comes down to what kind of photography you want.

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Jan 18, 2024 09:20:22   #
Dr Grump Loc: Southern New England
 
While I would never give up my real cameras and lenses (for which I spend as much or more than for the cameras themselves), I will attach three images which were captured by iphones to illustrate that a decent picture can be obtained by those thin little muckers. The first is a still life that I took by ambient light and is a tad overworked in processing (I process instead of post processing). It was taken by an XR iphone. The other two were taken by my daughter, showing landscapes taken with existing light, one daytime and one at night. I processed both.







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Jan 18, 2024 09:30:21   #
pithydoug Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
 
scoundrel wrote:
I doubt that many hedgehogs use the cameras in their cell phones more than occasionally or in photographic emergencies where they don't have their main gear with them. If you are an exception to this rule, I want to hear from you. I don't even have a modern cell phone; just a clamshell phone that has a camera that I never used, even for a test shot.

Cell phones these days can produce decent enough image quality for casual work, such as family events and holidays. That said, how often do you use your cell phone in this way as opposed to a dedicated camera (if any)?

How controllable are its settings and which does it have: manual shutter speed, aperture, ISO sensitivity, white balance? Does it have scene modes and, if so, do you use them? Does it have a capture mode other than JPEG? Some have more than one lens. About what angle of coverage does your camera have for each? (Don't forget to specify long dimension, short dimension, or diagonal.) Does your phone have on-camera flash? If so, can you disable it? How is your camera's performance in dim light (How low can you go?) What is your flash's range, if you have one?

Does your phone have a photographic feature that you are especially proud of? That you wish it had but doesn't? That you use a lot?

Describe your favorite technique(s) for holding your phone steady when long exposures are expected.
I doubt that many hedgehogs use the cameras in the... (show quote)


There is a local pro that specializes in iPhones. Offers trips and classes just like those with SLR/Mirroeless, etc. There is market out there.

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Jan 18, 2024 09:41:00   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
scoundrel wrote:
I doubt that many hedgehogs use the cameras in their cell phones more than occasionally or in photographic emergencies where they don't have their main gear with them. If you are an exception to this rule, I want to hear from you. I don't even have a modern cell phone; just a clamshell phone that has a camera that I never used, even for a test shot.

Cell phones these days can produce decent enough image quality for casual work, such as family events and holidays. That said, how often do you use your cell phone in this way as opposed to a dedicated camera (if any)?

How controllable are its settings and which does it have: manual shutter speed, aperture, ISO sensitivity, white balance? Does it have scene modes and, if so, do you use them? Does it have a capture mode other than JPEG? Some have more than one lens. About what angle of coverage does your camera have for each? (Don't forget to specify long dimension, short dimension, or diagonal.) Does your phone have on-camera flash? If so, can you disable it? How is your camera's performance in dim light (How low can you go?) What is your flash's range, if you have one?

Does your phone have a photographic feature that you are especially proud of? That you wish it had but doesn't? That you use a lot?

Describe your favorite technique(s) for holding your phone steady when long exposures are expected.
I doubt that many hedgehogs use the cameras in the... (show quote)


First of all, few people use *cellphones* these days. MOST people use smartphones (iPhone or Android devices). A cellphone is a dumb phone. It just makes calls, and MAYBE sends texts, tells time, and makes horrible pictures.

A smartphone is a high-powered computer in your pocket. It isn't just a phone with a camera! It can be ANY combination of things chosen from a pool of MILLIONS of downloadable applications. I use mine for about fifty different tasks during the course of a week.

For that reason, my iPhone is seldom more than 100 yards from me. It's usually beside me. And the most important camera I own is the one I have with me when it is the only one, because I don't have to miss a photo I couldn't make otherwise.

My backpack full of camera and video gear goes with me on INTENTIONAL photo trips or assignments. I bring it out when I need to, or want to use it for something pre-meditated or pre-planned or anticipated as a photo opportunity.

The three cameras in the iPhone 15 Pro Max are very good. They cover wide angle to medium telephoto perspectives (13mm, 24mm, 48mm, and 120mm equivalent focal lengths in 35mm equivalence terms. Apple calls them .5X, 1X, 2X, and 5X, but they're assuming 24mm is "normal" β€” a weird assumption).

Because the sensors are so small, and the lenses have such short actual focal lengths, the apertures are fixed. But if you use one of the advanced photo apps such as Camera +, ISO and shutter speeds are variable. The camera has a built-in stabilizer.

The auto white balance is generally better than most dSLR and mirrorless cameras, because Apple and the other smartphone manufacturers have had HUNDREDS of engineers working for around two decades to improve its algorithms. But if you use the right app, you can dial it in manually.

The camera can capture raw files. Because the main camera uses a "quad pixel" sensor for better signal to noise ratio, in good light, it can be a 48MP sensor instead of a 12MP sensor. Those 48MP raw files can be edited, although I have yet to play with any.

The camera has "Scene Rendering" modes β€” Standard, Rich Contrast, Vibrant, Warm, Cool. It also has "Lighting" modes β€” Natural, Studio Light, Contour Light, Stage Light, Stage Light Mono, and High Key Light Mono. Mono means monochrome, or black-and-white.

There is an exposure compensation feature, and you can adjust focus and exposure based on any part of the scene.

You can choose aspect ratio. 4:3 is native, but 1:1 (square) and 16:9 can be selected.

It has an LED "flash" that is good for close distances (up to maybe six feet). Its color temperature adjusts automatically to the white balance in use. It can be set to Auto, ON, or OFF.

Low light performance is noisy, but not terrible. Even back when I had an iPhone 6 Plus, I could take silhouettes of couples by moonlight. Pro grade? Hell no. Worth having as a memory? Of course.

Over the holidays, we were in Florida visiting my wife's sister and husband. I made the image below at their patio pool. This was on the 120mm setting... from the other side of the pool deck. The waterfall is about 36" wide. Post-processing was done with Lightroom Classic to convert from HEIC profile to sRGB, and to crop.

I'm still getting to know this phone and this camera. It's surprisingly versatile. The computer-aided photography features work quite well, now. I'm sure I'll use them a lot.

Meanwhile, I'm planning my next Micro 4/3 system camera purchase, probably a Lumix G9 Mark II, for its strong hybrid features, unless a GH7 comes out first...


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Jan 18, 2024 10:01:06   #
sippyjug104 Loc: Missouri
 
The true test of a smartphone camera is whether its pictures taken of flying saucers and Bigfoot will be sharp or blurry..! 😁

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Jan 18, 2024 10:10:50   #
StanMac Loc: Tennessee
 
scoundrel wrote:
I doubt that many hedgehogs use the cameras in their cell phones more than occasionally or in photographic emergencies where they don't have their main gear with them. If you are an exception to this rule, I want to hear from you. I don't even have a modern cell phone; just a clamshell phone that has a camera that I never used, even for a test shot.

Cell phones these days can produce decent enough image quality for casual work, such as family events and holidays. That said, how often do you use your cell phone in this way as opposed to a dedicated camera (if any)?

How controllable are its settings and which does it have: manual shutter speed, aperture, ISO sensitivity, white balance? Does it have scene modes and, if so, do you use them? Does it have a capture mode other than JPEG? Some have more than one lens. About what angle of coverage does your camera have for each? (Don't forget to specify long dimension, short dimension, or diagonal.) Does your phone have on-camera flash? If so, can you disable it? How is your camera's performance in dim light (How low can you go?) What is your flash's range, if you have one?

Does your phone have a photographic feature that you are especially proud of? That you wish it had but doesn't? That you use a lot?

Describe your favorite technique(s) for holding your phone steady when long exposures are expected.
I doubt that many hedgehogs use the cameras in the... (show quote)


I use my phone for opportunistic photos, snapshots, etc. when I don’t have a conventional camera available to me. I have no experience with Android but I am amazed with the editing capabilities of the iPhone.

Stan

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Jan 18, 2024 10:13:18   #
photoman43
 
scoundrel wrote:
I doubt that many hedgehogs use the cameras in their cell phones more than occasionally or in photographic emergencies where they don't have their main gear with them. If you are an exception to this rule, I want to hear from you. I don't even have a modern cell phone; just a clamshell phone that has a camera that I never used, even for a test shot.

Cell phones these days can produce decent enough image quality for casual work, such as family events and holidays. That said, how often do you use your cell phone in this way as opposed to a dedicated camera (if any)?

How controllable are its settings and which does it have: manual shutter speed, aperture, ISO sensitivity, white balance? Does it have scene modes and, if so, do you use them? Does it have a capture mode other than JPEG? Some have more than one lens. About what angle of coverage does your camera have for each? (Don't forget to specify long dimension, short dimension, or diagonal.) Does your phone have on-camera flash? If so, can you disable it? How is your camera's performance in dim light (How low can you go?) What is your flash's range, if you have one?

Does your phone have a photographic feature that you are especially proud of? That you wish it had but doesn't? That you use a lot?

Describe your favorite technique(s) for holding your phone steady when long exposures are expected.
I doubt that many hedgehogs use the cameras in the... (show quote)


I consider my cell phone to be part of my photo "kit." If I am doing nature shooting, it may replace my 24-70mm lens. And its video features can make it a video camera too. The pictures taken are ready for distribution to any needed parties.

I have a friend who is a realtor and he uses his iphone for taking some of the pictures and videos of homes he is selling. He has all of the regular photo gear, but finds the images and videos from his phone to be fine for real estate sales work.

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Jan 18, 2024 10:20:54   #
Fstop12 Loc: Kentucky
 
sippyjug104 wrote:
The true test of a smartphone camera is whether its pictures taken of flying saucers and Bigfoot will be sharp or blurry..! 😁


Breaking news! Smartphone photographer captures a once in a lifetime image.


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Jan 18, 2024 10:44:22   #
User ID
 
dustie wrote:
First off, this comment is in no way intended to be confrontational nor
belligerant, even though it is entirely possible some will choose to misconstrue it
as being so.

Some of the included pics were done by a secondhand (or is it third-, fourth-, or
fifthhand? I have no idea) DSLR, the others were done by a camera that includes
phone capability. Which are which?
None of the equipment is newer than nine or ten years old. Not including the
cost of memory cards, the total funds tied up in the digital picture taking devices
are significantly south of $850.00 U.S. None of the picture taking devices have
sensors with pixel counts that will satisfy the demands of pixel-peeping gurus.

There are two cameras with phone functions. Each has only one lens, not
multiples. Each has manufacturer-set automatic settings operations.

One of the cameras with phone capability will allow the operator to set white
balance, ISO, +2 - -2 exposure compensation, shutter speed from 1/2000 - 1/2
second, choose dng and jpeg output, and, with careful difficulty, manual focus.
The other will allow the operator to select a focus area within the frame, and has
a slider which allows imprecise adjustment of exposure, though there is no
indication if it is shutter speed, ISO or what is being changed by that slider; it
produces only jpeg output.

Neither of the cameras with phone capability has image stabilization
technology. If I do not have a tripod with phone clamp attachment along, I
steady the camera on a rock, or stump, or tree branch, or fence post, or log, or
fuel can, or jerry rig, or tool handle, or a wish and a prayer.

The cameras with phone capability have not been regarded as an unfortunate
make-do, since the time a photographer with over four decades professional
experience counseled me to learn all I could about picture taking while using the
camera with phone capability, since at the time it was the only picture taking
method I had available.

Each of the three picture taking instruments has selectable scene modes. I've
never tried any of them.

Perceivable differences in the pics:
-- are those the results of differences in the picture taking apparatus format in
use, pitting outdated, never above bottom mid-level mirrorless fixed lens, fixed
aperture cameras against an outdated once-okay/so-so, never above bottom-
rated DSLR?
-- are those due to the fact the hillbilly, untrained picture taker has maaaaybe 40 weeks
total accumulated time in digital photography and post-camera
processing, spread out over the past 5 years, or so? Would 45, 50, 60 years
experience and hours of training be enough to transform the bumbling, dorky
hillbilly into a real photographer who could step into a scene and instantly know
what the optimum camera settings and perspective and compositional
imperatives for that particular scene are? Would newest tech and more
expensive doodads instantly elevate the bumbling, dorky hillbilly's pic results
into an equally elevated class of worth above the present knowledge and experience level? Or, would there only be a continuation of mediocre results
backed by more time spent and a higher stage of technolgy acquired through
the expenditure of many months' or years' worth of hard-earned moolah which
should have been put to better use?

In a reply to me in another thread earlier today, hawgster 'burkphoto' very nicely
put into words something that seems to be a part of the push and pull inside me
that makes me wish for more available time and greater experience in this
photography interest:
β€’β€’ "I'm interested in getting results. I'm interested in seeing results. I'm okay with
how you got your image, if it moves me or communicates with me, and your
methods weren't illegal, unethical, immoral, or fattening." ('burkphoto' quote) β€’β€’

(Shameful apologies to the offended, venerated, experienced, advanced,
equipped, distinguished, elevated folk who are sadly forced to endure such an
underwhelming, little kids table post amongst the exclusively desired, never-
less-than worthwhile, estimable Big Boy posts in the Main Photography
Discussion section.)
First off, this comment is in no way intended to b... (show quote)

Try as I might, I cannot in the least imagine your possible "elevator pitch" ... but Im asking you to post it ... cuz your long diatribe (??) is impenatrable and indecipherable, but it seems obvious that you care about some something.

What little I "understand" so far is that you use various "old clunkers" and sometimes get satisfactory results. Surely there is more to that long post than that minimal bit of non-news ?

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Jan 18, 2024 10:47:57   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
Been using SLRs since ~1955 and DSLRs since 2005. In the 2000s I got into event photography, taking photos of events concerning various nonprofit organizations I work with. They were mostly for PR purposes and indoors, so lighting was poor in general. Probably 75% nonprofit events, 25% family photos (gatherings, vacations, etc.). The early DSLRs were OK but sucked in poor lighting conditions. When I got a D3 (~2008) that changed.

In the '90s I had a cell phone. Went to a more capable phone (I wouldn't have called it smart) that had a camera. The camera got used when I had nothing else at hand and the photos were primarily documentation of things on the farm where image quality wasn't all that important. Eventually I got a more capable than that phone (Android) that had a slightly better camera, but also internet capability so I could get weather reports out in the field and even wrote some apps to keep track of irrigation zones. At the time I was using Windows based machines.

Then I got a new wife. An Apple girl. She had an iPhone and a Mac Air. So I had to learn a bit about the Mac platform to do IT for her. I was out of town a lot at first dealing with business I had been into before we got married so we did a fair amount of texting. Between Android and iPhone, connections sucked. Some texts took 24 hours to get through. So one trip I forgot my phone and since the contract was up, I decided to switch to an iPhone. Connection problem solved. It was an iPhone 8 and had a reasonable camera.

In 2019 we took a Mediterranean cruise. Didn't take the DSLR, just the phone. All the photos were with my or her iPhone. They came out pretty good, although the iPhone 8 phone didn't do well indoors and those shots would definitely have been better with the DSLR. A couple months ago I got an iPhone 15. The camera is much better, but I've been busy and haven't had time to do any real comparisons, so although I suspect the indoor shots will still be better on the high-ISO-capable DSLR, I don't have any confirmation yet.

Next time I go on vacation I will probably just take the iPhone. I don't usually get wall hangers from my vacation shots and maximum image quality is not really needed for family shots. I'm retired from the event photography beyond family events and I don't demand a lot from those shots. The family is not demanding either.

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Jan 18, 2024 10:58:07   #
User ID
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
Been using SLRs since ~1955 and DSLRs since 2005. In the 2000s I got into event photography, taking photos of events concerning various nonprofit organizations I work with. They were mostly for PR purposes and indoors, so lighting was poor in general. Probably 75% nonprofit events, 25% family photos (gatherings, vacations, etc.). The early DSLRs were OK but sucked in poor lighting conditions. When I got a D3 (~2008) that changed.

In the '90s I had a cell phone. Went to a more capable phone (I wouldn't have called it smart) that had a camera. The camera got used when I had nothing else at hand and the photos were primarily documentation of things on the farm where image quality wasn't all that important. Eventually I got a more capable than that phone (Android) that had a slightly better camera, but also internet capability so I could get weather reports out in the field and even wrote some apps to keep track of irrigation zones. At the time I was using Windows based machines.

Then I got a new wife. An Apple girl. She had an iPhone and a Mac Air. So I had to learn a bit about the Mac platform to do IT for her. I was out of town a lot at first dealing with business I had been into before we got married so we did a fair amount of texting. Between Android and iPhone, connections sucked. Some texts took 24 hours to get through. So one trip I forgot my phone and since the contract was up, I decided to switch to an iPhone. Connection problem solved. It was an iPhone 8 and had a reasonable camera.

In 2019 we took a Mediterranean cruise. Didn't take the DSLR, just the phone. All the photos were with my or her iPhone. They came out pretty good, although the iPhone 8 phone didn't do well indoors and those shots would definitely have been better with the DSLR. A couple months ago I got an iPhone 15. The camera is much better, but I've been busy and haven't had time to do any real comparisons, so although I suspect the indoor shots will still be better on the high-ISO-capable DSLR, I don't have any confirmation yet.

Next time I go on vacation I will probably just take the iPhone. I don't usually get wall hangers from my vacation shots and maximum image quality is not really needed for family shots. I'm retired from the event photography beyond family events and I don't demand a lot from those shots. The family is not demanding either.
Been using SLRs since ~1955 and DSLRs since 2005. ... (show quote)

Classic saga of phunky phone phun there.

Like you, my involvement with iphone is a matter of family unity. But iphone use has NOT reduced my intention to bring a real camera. Verrrrry much the opposite.

If only an m4/3 could do phone calls, then demon iphone could then be buried in his native soil.

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