RAW edit " Order Of Operations " (Page 3): That's why flexibility is a good thing to have. But there are things you should be aware of. Some of the processes affect the image in a way...

R.G. Loc: Scotland

MrBob wrote:

Yep, getting into a n assembly line process takes a lot of the creative fun out of it... Every click seems to want you to start in maybe a different area... One thing I AM consistent in is White Balance...

That's why flexibility is a good thing to have. But there are things you should be aware of. Some of the processes affect the image in a way that could change how you want to edit it. For example, lens corrections usually involve removing vignetting, and that could significantly affect how much brightening, contrast etc you want to give it for both local and global adjustments, and the geometric corrections (including levelling) may affect how you want to crop it. Plus cropping can significantly affect how much denoise and sharpening are required, and sometimes when you've cropped and are using the cloning tool it will try to use a pick-up point that's in the cropped-out area (which works but it makes it difficult to adjust the patch selection).

As a general rule, be aware of how some processes affect the overall look of the image because they will affect how much of the other adjustments are needed. It's usually a good idea to get the big stuff like lens corrections and cropping done early. But be ready and willing to customise the workflow.

camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.

Lorvey wrote: "I wouldn't trust doing everything google tells you. Doing Denoise first doesn't make sense to me. Some of the actions listed after the denoise action can add noise to the image. I think denoise should be done closer to the end of the list, especially after cropping"

I am in agreement. Denoise is not always necessary. Editing RAW data, in my opinion, does not necessarily has to follow an order. I also add some clarity but reserve sharpening as the last step.
Let's not make photography difficult because it is not.

billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont

MrBob wrote:

After being involved in a recent Math Puzzle regar... (show quote)

1. load RAW into RAW Photoshop
2. make quick adjustments
3. save into regular photoshop
4. make adjustments
5. if needed back into photoshop raw
6. back into regular photoshop
7. finish with Topaz sharpen and denoise

JBGLADSTONE Loc: Oregon

I always use No Noise ( ON1 2024.1), 1st.
Why, my thinking is help my Canon 80D with 24-105L F4 or Tamron 70-300mm or my crop sensor non L quality lens. Yes, I usually dial back levels a little so No Noise doesn't over correct or process.
Then crop
Follow up with Develop & effects and/or Masking
Usually I use Vignette as last step.

Please offer input or guidance if anyone a better directions.... Thanks

GLSmith Loc: Tampa, Fl

Always do Lens Profile first, then start on white balance....last thing I think about is sharpening/noise

bobmcculloch Loc: NYC, NY

MrBob wrote:

After being involved in a recent Math Puzzle regar... (show quote)

Do you really need to do all that?
Maybe I'm doing something wrong.
Most of my RAW conversion is add a touch of contrast and a touch of saturation, in DPP, and save to TIFF. Straighten and crop are done in PSP, cannot remember last time I de-noised.

Delderby Loc: Derby UK

MrBob wrote:

After being involved in a recent Math Puzzle regar... (show quote)

I'd include a new #1 - Pay more attention to framing and composition in camera - like real photographers do.

MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama

bobmcculloch wrote:

Do you really need to do all that?
Maybe I'm doing something wrong.
Most of my RAW conversion is add a touch of contrast and a touch of saturation, in DPP, and save to TIFF. Straighten and crop are done in PSP, cannot remember last time I de-noised.

I liked to go down the list in ACR but am now in ON1... I like to think of it as taking a neutral RAW file and putting your own touch on it... Sometimes starting with a camera " profile " is about all you need and add a few touches like you stated.

JBGLADSTONE Loc: Oregon

Can I ask a question?
Statements have been made " Do the camera 1st and lens"
I have assumed.... ON1 automatically made those adjustments automatically.

So you are telling me I should at least review the settings for my 80D and my Tamron and Canon lens?

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

PEMDAS

Pick the one to process.
Examination it carefully.
Make any necessary changes.
Decide if it looks the way you want.
Add more changes after examining it.
Save it in a different folder.

This isn't a real thing. I just made it up.

Delderby Loc: Derby UK

JBGLADSTONE wrote:

Can I ask a question?
Statements have been made " Do the camera 1st and lens"
I have assumed.... ON1 automatically made those adjustments automatically.
So you are telling me I should at least review the settings for my 80D and my Tamron and Canon lens?

I advocate adjusting zoom, framing and composition - and any other settings in camera which affect the RAW file before rushing back to the computer and AI.

MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama

jerryc41 wrote:

PEMDAS

Pick the one to process.
Examination it carefully.
Make any necessary changes.
Decide if it looks the way you want.
Add more changes after examining it.
Save it in a different folder.

This isn't a real thing. I just made it up.

That was REALLY thoughtful Jerry.... A spinoff on the ridiculous math puzzle. You pretty much NAILED IT.

MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama

Delderby wrote:

I'd include a new #1 - Pay more attention to framing and composition in camera - like real photographers do.

YES... I think a lot of us have gotten spoiled with our zooms, not that they are not very useful but most of us can still move back and forth a bit. If we thought more of " cropping " as pixel reduction, we would be more careful in our compositions... I need to start practicing some of this stuff !!

MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama

GLSmith wrote:

Always do Lens Profile first, then start on white balance....last thing I think about is sharpening/noise

Never thought about lens profile first... Interesting, I will look into it. BTW, Is it cold there ? I emigrated from Oldsmar to NE Alabama.

MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama

JBGLADSTONE wrote:

I always use No Noise ( ON1 2024.1), 1st.
Why, my thinking is help my Canon 80D with 24-105L F4 or Tamron 70-300mm or my crop sensor non L quality lens. Yes, I usually dial back levels a little so No Noise doesn't over correct or process.
Then crop
Follow up with Develop & effects and/or Masking
Usually I use Vignette as last step.

Please offer input or guidance if anyone a better directions.... Thanks

I just went to ON1 and REALLY appreciate your comments... So far I am LOVING it and NO monthly payments.