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Nov 10, 2023 14:33:03   #
Mike D. Loc: Crowley County, CO.
 
What you described, bothers me a lot. I was the brunt of one of those episodes, consequently I seldom post anything on this site. Sad, isn't it? I actually have a tablet beside my computer with the names of the frequent abusers. You would be amazed at my tally. It is only a few....but they are reliably rude.

Many of us have been the brunt of this negativity and I must agree with Jo. Do not let the few ruin a good thing. There are many more people here who are kind and helpful and are truly interested in helping you with your photographic journey.

A wise man who also hang out here once told me.

On UHH you get three things:

1) Expert advice
2) Strong opinions
3) Completely wrong information.

It is up to the recipient to determine what works and what doesn't.

Ignore the trolls, they will eventually leave you alone.

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Nov 10, 2023 14:34:27   #
Horseart Loc: Alabama
 
Earnest Botello wrote:
Well said and I totally agree with you, Jo, for reminding that we are only human and should treat others as we want to be treated.


Thank you Earnest. I've been here since 2011 and I've seen so many trying hard to improve only to be put down and wind up leaving. Like you, I think the golden rule should never be ignored.
I keep going back to what my dad always said when my brother and I got into a tiff. "Be kind or be quiet".

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Nov 10, 2023 14:37:23   #
Horseart Loc: Alabama
 
Guyserman wrote:
Whether or not something said is constructive is totally in the mind of hearer. Something offered as constructive can be taken bitterly and the most bitter criticism can be taken constructively. So be a good hearer.


Thank you for looking and responding. Reading a comment for what it's worth is always a smart move.

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Nov 10, 2023 14:38:45   #
Horseart Loc: Alabama
 
srt101fan wrote:
“Whether or not something said is constructive is totally in the mind of hearer.”

Only if the hearer is good at self delusion….


Thanks for looking and commenting.

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Nov 10, 2023 14:46:01   #
Horseart Loc: Alabama
 
srg wrote:
I agree with you and find myself guilty upon reflection.
However, I dreamed about being able to do color photography as a youth, and now find myself repulsed by the fad of B&W.
Also by facial tatoos, ripped jeans, perpetual staring at phone, etc.
I do post photos, and know the sting of criticism. Especially for my tendency to overprocess. But the critiques have made me ease up somewhat. I just LOVE color.


Thanks for coming by and commenting srg. I am an artist of the old fashioned paint and brush method so color is my thing too.
I also hate tattoos, ripped jeans, skin piercings, cell starers, etc. and some people overprocess, especially over saturate, but whatever they do is up to them. We have to answer for only what we do, so I think being kind is the best way to handle our feelings about all those things unless we are truly trying to help...which some won't appreciate anyway.

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Nov 10, 2023 14:53:35   #
Horseart Loc: Alabama
 
Bridges wrote:
Snarky remarks are never in good taste but having said that, there is a place for criticism here on the forum. It is called Photo Analysis. If someone wants to submit work there, responders can give accolades or explain why a photo isn't good. That is a separate section from the Photo Gallery. If someone's work is displayed in the Photo Gallery, it is common decency to either admire their work or if the shot doesn't resonate with the viewer, to pass on making a comment at all.


Thank you!!! ABSOLUTELY! People might be a little kinder if they read the rules. The photo gallery says
"Show off your pics and/or ask for general critique." "Ask for" to me, means unless one asks for critique, you shouldn't offer it...especially when there is a whole other section for that.

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Nov 10, 2023 14:54:31   #
Horseart Loc: Alabama
 
kerry12 wrote:
Well said.


Thank you kerry.

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Nov 10, 2023 14:57:02   #
Horseart Loc: Alabama
 
elee950021 wrote:
Totally agree! How about snarky comments about cameras and gear that are not the latest or mirrorless?

Be well! Ed


Thank you Ed! YES, that too! The fact that everyone has the right to doesn't mean they should argue when they do.
Arguments are so low class.

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Nov 10, 2023 15:00:00   #
Horseart Loc: Alabama
 
gvarner wrote:
Well said.


I agree with you. Bridges did well!!!

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Nov 10, 2023 15:02:25   #
Horseart Loc: Alabama
 
SalvageDiver wrote:
Well said!!

My mama always told me that "an ounce of sugar is always better than a pound of salt" when dealing with others.


Thank you for that response. Your mama and my daddy thought just alike!!!

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Nov 10, 2023 15:09:28   #
ronsipus Loc: Mission Viejo, CA
 
Horseart wrote:
(and who even cares), but for some reason unknown to me or anyone else, I feel like saying this.
It's sad!
I don't care how puffed up you are about your own excellence as a photographer, (pro or not), it can't be a good thing to downgrade someone else's work with snarky comments. You know who you are. You don't care that we know who you are.
Sometimes we admire a person simply because we admire their talent or skill as a great photographer, but when they make snarky remarks to someone who is just enjoying photos they made and so happy that they got them, they are stealing that person's joy.
This happens here too often and makes me wonder what kind of person feels good about doing a thing like that!
We may admire your work as a gifted photographer from now on but some of us will surely cease to admire you as the photographer you are, because of your pathetic attitude toward others.
That's all. I truly feel like I have not stepped on any toes that did not deserve it.
To the rest of you, I will keep looking at and enjoying your photos.
(and who even cares), but for some reason unknown ... (show quote)


You have stated the case well. People who do what you have described are so self-focused they cannot see any good in others. These are people we should remove from our lives as they are toxic.

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Nov 10, 2023 15:10:15   #
Horseart Loc: Alabama
 
mindzye wrote:
I agree with the original post inasmuch as intentional negativity is unwarranted; I wonder how much a 2 dimensional medium is able to translate accurately/ adequately the intention of critique. When via phone, the tone relays much, or is misinterpreted. In person, that all the more. When friends communicate, there can be a wide berth on what is called "criticism" that is accepted (even laughed at) when a dig is offered.
Yet criticism is just that. Only with the addition of helping suggestions is it taken with appreciation and can be considered worthwhile.

Of course this is above and beyond the original post's intent and taken to heart.
Question: do we share our photos/ efforts simply to accumulate accolades, or easily offended with critique? Many images are presented with nothing more than the intent to share. Many of the posts are very good images, some just statements of record. Yet again, we are all at where we are. And a latitude of varying experiences and levels of accomplishment ( in the eye of the beholder? ) are in order. Also agreed that if not impressed, move on.

Support in an extremely personal and perspective oriented medium as photography is commendatory; your points of the differences of Open Gallery and the Critique sections are well founded.
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Thank you for posting this. There are sections here for everything. Find the right section. If one posts in Photo Gallery, they should not expect critique unless they ask for it. If they want critique, they should post in the Photo Analysis section and be ready to accept or handle any and all critique.

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Nov 10, 2023 15:14:58   #
Horseart Loc: Alabama
 
arperry wrote:
I 200% agree with you. I believe helpful comments are always appreciated. And thankfully only a few members cannot see the fine line between a helpful, and a demeaning response. Overall, this site has taught me so much just by "trolling". Thank you.


Thank you for responding. It's a good place. Sometimes comments are misunderstood and then some are just plain rude. We need to be like turtles with iron shells and never let anyone cause us to give up.
I, for one, may never get it right, but I will not allow anyone else to stop my trying.
There are many lessons here to be learned if we just grab them.

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Nov 10, 2023 15:20:57   #
Horseart Loc: Alabama
 
Wingpilot wrote:
Your point is well-taken, Jo, and appreciate your addressing the point. I find that there is a degree of arrogance here by a few that is unnecessary. UHH isn’t, as one already stated, a site for professional photographers who demand nothing but the highest degree of perfection. It’s here for people to share photos, good, bad or otherwise for others to enjoy. But “snarky” comments aren’t appreciated or helpful. UHH is also here for folks to solicit the advice or answers to questions from others who may be more knowledgeable. The “Google is your friend,” or “RTFB” comments are certainly not welcome or appreciated. Let’s be kind and supportive of one another and just have fun here. We range from rank beginners to highly accomplished professionals, with gear ranging from very basic stuff to the most expensive available and everything in between. Thanks for posting, Jo.
Your point is well-taken, Jo, and appreciate your... (show quote)


Bless you Greg! Very well said! Thank you for your kindness.

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Nov 10, 2023 15:22:21   #
home brewer Loc: Fort Wayne, Indiana
 
I find most of the time when I ask for help I get good advice. Some people are just nasty and I assume they are just having a bad day. But it is apparent some people just like being jerks.

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