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Nov 3, 2023 08:54:58   #
srt101fan
 
terryMc wrote:
When I refer to the "multitude of problems," I mean specifically those facing anyone who wants to make this image over without that shadow.

Obviously, the first problem is the large shadow itself that the photographer doesn't want there. Taking that out and making it look like it was never there entails more than just using a crude mask and increasing the luminosity and contrast.

The whole thing is overexposed. The raw file is likely salvageable.

Highlights are blown.

Image lacks contrast.

There is lens distortion. The people on the right don't likely have feet that long, and the ground doesn't likely slope away like that.

The line where the shadow ends has to be blended. It covers the cobblestones, so their details will blur.

None of the people who are in the shadow are casting shadows. None of them have sun in their faces. All of the people on the other side are casting distinct shadows and have bright sunlit faces and clothing. To make this look natural, all that has to be fixed. Not impossible, but incredibly time consuming and requiring more than Lightroom's developing and light retouching tools.

The foregoing is not what "UHH members" consider "good" or "problem free," this is just me, just my opinion.
When I refer to the "multitude of problems,&q... (show quote)


Thank you for your detailed reply. As I said, I’m interested in how folks judge a photo and I appreciate your comments.

I tend to look at a photo like this and think of it’s purpose and use. I’m guessing it’s a travel picture - taken for memories and to show friends and family what they saw and where they went. In that context I can overlook a lot of minor “flaws”.

I think Ed Shapiro had the right outlook:https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-790879-2.html#14256463

I think the edits posted by readers here are all very impressive!

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Nov 3, 2023 08:55:02   #
dannac Loc: 60 miles SW of New Orleans
 
This is trying some techniques presented in video by Greg Benz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZxkEXEWV2Q



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Nov 3, 2023 08:59:59   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
terryMc wrote:
I wish you had shared your solution with us, since I think that 12 hours and a hundred layers or so to make this look good might be a rather optimistic estimate.

For instance, how did you restore the cobblestones where you blended the edge of the main shadow? How did you deal with the people who are now in bright sunlight but have no sun on their faces or clothing, and are casting no shadows as are those on the other side? Did you fix the lens distortion?

Enquiring minds...
The examples posted in this thread (of the full photo) blend the line of demarcation so that the middle stones look smeared. I didn't attempt to make the entire image the same exposure; I just lessened the contrast between the two sides.

Topaz Studio 2's HDR filter helped, along with selective brightening and darkening, and the color adjustments I mentioned. I started to dodge along the shadow line, but had to quit.

I didn't work on sky or distortion, or small details. Obviously, more work is needed if one wants perfection



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Nov 3, 2023 09:12:35   #
terryMc Loc: Arizona's White Mountains
 
dannac wrote:
Wow ... would have never thought you could do that in LR6.


Funny, but it is exactly what I would have thought one could do in Lightroom. There is a blurry line running down the middle of the image, the sky is a bright cyan, all of the lighting on the people on the right is flat and boring while those on the left are in the sunlight and casting sharp shadows, the people on the far right are still stretched out from the lens distortion along with the image dipping down in that corner.

Then of course, the standard disclaimer: "If problem areas can't be fixed to perfection it usually helps to make those areas less eye-catching."

Translation: "This can't be fixed in Lightroom, but I can sure fiddle with it."

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Nov 3, 2023 09:24:18   #
dannac Loc: 60 miles SW of New Orleans
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
The examples posted in this thread (of the full photo) blend the line of demarcation so that the middle stones look smeared. I didn't attempt to make the entire image the same exposure; I just lessened the contrast between the two sides.

Topaz Studio 2's HDR filter helped, along with selective brightening and darkening, and the color adjustments I mentioned. I started to dodge along the shadow line, but had to quit.

I didn't work on sky or distortion, or small details. Obviously, more work is needed if one wants perfection
The examples posted in this thread (of the full ph... (show quote)


That's a well done fix .... if you can lose that bright line down the center.

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Nov 3, 2023 09:25:45   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
dannac wrote:
That's a well done fix .... if you can lose that bright line down the center.
Burn tool

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Nov 3, 2023 09:28:41   #
terryMc Loc: Arizona's White Mountains
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Obviously, more work is needed if one wants perfection


Obviously.

As with all the other attempts at this "easy" fix, nothing is fixed. There is a bright line running through the middle of the image, and there are many, many other problems, and there is the usual disclaimer along the lines of "with more time this could be better."

Take all the time you want, but this is a throwaway. There is no one on this forum that I am aware of who has the skill to bring this anywhere near "perfection." If such a person is here, I want to see that.

And it's laughable to think that the the raw developer in Lightroom is by any stretch of the imagination up to this task. Those who have tried have demonstrated that fact pretty well.

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Nov 3, 2023 09:33:31   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
home brewer wrote:
I just want the steps either in Lightroom or photoshop or a video that will guide me. I have other city scapes or landscapes with shadows that need corrected.The time is later by 6 hours than shown in the data and the photo taken at 11:54 am not 5:54 am. This is the out of camera Jpeg and I will develop the NEF. The only youtube videos I have found have not been helpful.

I probably would have looked for a more sunlit-view. Unless you find something interesting in this shot, I can’t imagine keeping it at all.

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Nov 3, 2023 09:33:32   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
terryMc wrote:
Obviously.

As with all the other attempts at this "easy" fix, nothing is fixed. There is a bright line running through the middle of the image, and there are many, many other problems, and there is the usual disclaimer along the lines of "with more time this could be better."

Take all the time you want, but this is a throwaway. There is no one on this forum that I am aware of who has the skill to bring this anywhere near "perfection." If such a person is here, I want to see that.

And it's laughable to think that the the raw developer in Lightroom is by any stretch of the imagination up to this task. Those who have tried have demonstrated that fact pretty well.
Obviously. br br As with all the other attempts ... (show quote)
I have PS Elements, so never had to worry about LR vs. PS.

No, there is no easy fix. However, whether the photo is a "throwaway" is totally up to the OP. There are folks who enjoy attempting to help, or challenge themselves with their own level of pp skill, and there are folks who sit back and judge everyone else.

We all have our roles to play.

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Nov 3, 2023 09:35:37   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
rehess wrote:
I probably would have looked for a more sunlit-view. Unless you find something interesting in this shot, I can’t imagine keeping it at all.
But you are not the OP. Surely, you understand memories and photos that are special to you, if not to others?

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Nov 3, 2023 09:37:07   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
I have PS Elements, so never had to worry about LR vs. PS.

No, there is no easy fix. However, whether the photo is a "throwaway" is totally up to the OP. There are folks who enjoy attempting to help, or challenge themselves with their own level of pp skill, and there are folks who sit back and judge everyone else.

We all have our roles to play.

I suppose ‘fixing’ this is a good challenge - but only that as far as I can see. I would look for a more scenic memory to keep.

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Nov 3, 2023 09:42:12   #
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agillot wrote:
I would not , it is part of the picture , actually the shaded part of the picture is more pleasant to the eye .

Agreed. Been on that track from day one. The shadow area needs a bit of brightening and contrast to look better, but making the whole shadow disappear just makes this sorry shot even worse. Textbook case of too wide a lens applied to too much distance resulting in an empty image. The shadow break is the only thing happening. Eliminate that and then you have less than nothing. Just "pretty it up".

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Nov 3, 2023 09:44:56   #
Pete K Loc: Webster Township, Michigan
 
A few adjustments done in Luminar Neo


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Nov 3, 2023 09:52:29   #
terryMc Loc: Arizona's White Mountains
 
srt101fan wrote:
Thank you for your detailed reply. As I said, I’m interested in how folks judge a photo and I appreciate your comments.

I tend to look at a photo like this and think of it’s purpose and use. I’m guessing it’s a travel picture - taken for memories and to show friends and family what they saw and where they went. In that context I can overlook a lot of minor “flaws”.

I think Ed Shapiro had the right outlook:https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-790879-2.html#14256463

I think the edits posted by readers here are all very impressive!
Thank you for your detailed reply. As I said, I’m... (show quote)


I agree with your assessment of the photo as being a travel photo showing a place that was visited, but as for the photographer's intentions regarding the use of the photo, I'll just leave it up to them.

If the post had said "This the blah blah building in blah blahland," I would have looked and moved on, but here we were asked how to fix what the photographer apparently considered a major flaw, and as usual we got a lot of "Here is my attempt, and while I don't have time to get it perfect, this is better" posts demonstrating only that what I said is mostly correct. An expert could probably fix this, given a lot of time and skill that obviously doesn't exist here.

I was not impressed with the half-fixes shown here, but that is because I spend my days trying to learn advanced techniques to make professional-level images. I have not yet achieved those skills, maybe never will, but learning is my hobby, and I'll just keep trying to improve until I like what I do. In the meantime, I will not post my error-ridden stuff just to give others the opportunity to point out the flaws.

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Nov 3, 2023 09:56:51   #
srt101fan
 
rehess wrote:
I probably would have looked for a more sunlit-view. Unless you find something interesting in this shot, I can’t imagine keeping it at all.


The OP asks for help in improving a photo. You tell him to throw it away. Fine help that is!

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