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Oct 17, 2023 17:49:20   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
TonyP wrote:
Thanks for the advice. My 24-70 is pretty much my main lens for 80%+ of my pics and is good over almost the whole range of 24-70. (48-140 on DX). Mine is the older version and was recognised by many as one of the Nikon 'Trinity' lenses. One of the reasons I decided a few years ago on the LX100.
I don't know how good the 18-140 is at both ends of the range, but many of these zooms do display problems when used at the extremes of their focal limits. So they can be sort of limited in the full use of the, say, 18mm.
One of the big pluses and reasons for the D750 is the adjustable screen and of course the extra pixels. Plus all the body controls are virtually in the same place as the D7100.
All three of my lenses are FX.

By the way, Ive not just bid on, but as I said have bought, the D750
Cheers
Thanks for the advice. My 24-70 is pretty much my ... (show quote)


I prefer 'wide', more now of late than maybe older days. Where, if I still had a DX-style body, I couldn't start around 45mm equivalent. All of Nikon's 18-### DX zooms are pretty much equally good-great, just some are more ruggedly built than others, plastic vs metal mounts and so forth. If you've purchased, I guess a bit late for other ideas. I did note all the other lenses were FX so you're good to go with a body I think is one of Nikon's best ideas, at the end of their DSLR era.

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Oct 17, 2023 18:06:46   #
Hal Masover Loc: Iowa and Florida
 
TonyP wrote:
Thanks Hal. Pleased to hear that as an existing owner you think they are good enough to buy another. Sort of confirming my decision.
Cheers


The D750 is a remarkable camera. Well ahead of its time. Beautiful image quality. Built like a tank. Lighter than other full frame Nikons. I'll be very happy to keep one on hand. I call it my backup but it's likely to continue to be my main travel camera because of its weight and when I shoot weddings I shoot with two bodies. One gets a 24-70 and the other gets the 70-200. So it'll get plenty of use.

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Oct 17, 2023 18:37:37   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
I have a number of cameras. The ones mentioned here are all good choices.

When going out for the day and will be close to the car, or just a shot walk, I carry a D500 and D850. One or the other will have a battery grip. For longer walks the D7200 is my go to. The pop up flash on the D7200 comes in handy at times.

If you can get past not having the latest and greatest I don't think you can go too wrong with any of these.

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Oct 17, 2023 23:07:23   #
b top gun
 
My D7100 is the last DX Nikon I purchased; I keep it handy for back up and when I have need to shoot indoors because it has a pop-up flash which has saved the day multiple times. When the D850 was announced I made the quantum leap from DX to FX and went for broke. It has been my go to Nikon for several years and multiple trips to the Pac NW. I had a D780 for a short time; bought it because of its touted video capability; touted as superior to the D850. I did not keep the D780 long enough to really find out. Nikon made me an offer I could not refuse, so I got a Z 8. Just got back from a week in Alaska, had both the D850 and Z 8 with. By the morning of my third day out there my D850 was relegated to back up for the Z 8. I never thought I would ever make the switch to mirrorless; never say "never". At present I use two Nikkor FX lenses on both the D850 and Z 8; use a non VR version of the 24-70 f/2.8 and latest iteration 70-200 f/2.8 VR. I think the 24-70 on the Z 8 takes sharper pics now than when I had it on the D780. My experience for what it is worth.

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Oct 17, 2023 23:17:22   #
Hal Masover Loc: Iowa and Florida
 
b top gun wrote:
My D7100 is the last DX Nikon I purchased; I keep it handy for back up and when I have need to shoot indoors because it has a pop-up flash which has saved the day multiple times. When the D850 was announced I made the quantum leap from DX to FX and went for broke. It has been my go to Nikon for several years and multiple trips to the Pac NW. I had a D780 for a short time; bought it because of its touted video capability; touted as superior to the D850. I did not keep the D780 long enough to really find out. Nikon made me an offer I could not refuse, so I got a Z 8. Just got back from a week in Alaska, had both the D850 and Z 8 with. By the morning of my third day out there my D850 was relegated to back up for the Z 8. I never thought I would ever make the switch to mirrorless; never say "never". At present I use two Nikkor FX lenses on both the D850 and Z 8; use a non VR version of the 24-70 f/2.8 and latest iteration 70-200 f/2.8 VR. I think the 24-70 on the Z 8 takes sharper pics now than when I had it on the D780. My experience for what it is worth.
My D7100 is the last DX Nikon I purchased; I keep ... (show quote)

Thanks. All useful to know. I'm not surprised the Z8 is better. Really I'd be very discouraged if it wasn't as it's 5 years newer and $500 more than the D850 was in 2018. Maybe I'll own one in 5 years 😊

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Oct 18, 2023 03:57:33   #
Thomas902 Loc: Washington DC
 
"The D750 is a remarkable camera. Well ahead of its time. Beautiful image quality. Built like a tank."

Hal the D750 is a consumer grade camera which lacks the robust build of a Pro Body... I shoot the D800e and D810 both of which are vastly better designed and made... btw, the D800e is actually made in Japan... Like the Lion's share of all Nikon's Pro Level cameras... See the Lifestyle Fitness Editorial below shot with a Nikon D810 (Pro-Body)

Your consumer D750 is made in Thailand... I also lacks 1/8000 of a second and has required more firmware fixes than nearly all other consumer grade Nikon's (except maybe the "Oil-Slinging" D600 which Nikon refused to acknowledge) That is until the heat became too intense... At this juncture they had to do a massive D600 recall...

Nope, the D750 feels like a toy to me after shooting my D3x for 10 hours straight... If you are happy with your D750 good for you... I certainly wouldn't trust it on a critical client assignment... btw, the D850 is rather useless to me since it doesn't have a popup flash which I use extensively as an optical trigger for my studio strobes... besides it's bloated file size slows post workflow and I'm not about to shoot it cropped... but then again if you don't have to post process a client's deliverables in a timely manor you'll not be much concerned about workflow optimization... Oh, your D850 is made offshore in Thailand also Hal... Not in Japan.

However thank you so much for choosing Nikon as your platform of choice...
An awesome vendor with a stellar track record who's kit I've been paying the bills with ever since my Nikon F3...
All the best on your photographic journey Hal... Cheers! Thomas

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Oct 18, 2023 06:04:28   #
ClarkJohnson Loc: Fort Myers, FL and Cohasset, MA
 
Hal Masover wrote:
First, Sony and Canon make wonderful cameras, but I'm not going to switch systems and I really do love my Nikons so please refrain from posting about other systems. I have 3 Nikon DSLR bodies. I have no objection to mirrorless except that because everyone wants them, DSLRs are at fire sale prices. I have a D600, D750 and D850. I only recently bought the D850 and as far as I can tell it's a better camera than everything that came before the Z9. And what an amazing workhorse my D750 has been! But it finally started to succumb to all the abuse from dozens of weddings, travel, and on and on. The hotshoe stopped functioning and that's vital to my professional work so sent it off to be repaired asking for an estimate to repair/replace the hotshoe and generally go over the camera and see what else needs to be done. The shop came back with a cost of repairs that pretty much need to be done, at over $500. OK. That's a lot for a 10 year old camera with 120,000 clicks on the shutter. So thinking of trading it in as is, along with the D600. But what to buy? I'm not interested in going to the Z line because I have to either do everything with an adapter or buy new Z lenses. If price were no obstacle then a Z8 would be the way to go. But price is an obstacle. $4 grand for the body only, plus the adapter or Z lenses - just can't justify the expense. So the question is should I buy a used D750 or a used D850? I prefer to shoot the D850 at 25 mp resolution so forget the resolution diff. The D750 is a lot less money and weighs a little less. But the D850 has a much better AF system and handles much higher ISO levels. Low light performance is important for weddings and my hobby is shooting at night - the milky way, light painting, etc. So handling noise is important but so is low light focus ability. I've always had a lot of trouble focusing the D750 in low light because once you lose any contrast, it can't do it. I only just got my D850 so not enough experience to know. For you D850 owners, how good is it at getting focus at night? Anyone have both a D750 and D850 that can weigh in?
First, Sony and Canon make wonderful cameras, but ... (show quote)


From purely a usage perspective, it would be simpler to have two bodies with the same control layout, so you don’t have to do the mental and physical adjustments when you go from one to the other. Since you have a D850, one of the best DSLRs ever made, I’d look toward a second one.

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Oct 18, 2023 06:43:26   #
Flickwet Loc: NEOhio
 
The OP is the first person I’ve encountered who also shoots the D850 at medium size jpeg, as I think the camera was meant to be used, the reduction of noise due to in camera downsizing helps contribute to the exquisiteness of the files out of the D850. Mine recently got damaged in an accident and I miss her dearly. I could only ever imagine owning another and if another used one comes up I will trade my D700’s in towards her.

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Oct 18, 2023 06:49:50   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Hal Masover wrote:
First, Sony and Canon make wonderful cameras, but I'm not going to switch systems and I really do love my Nikons so please refrain from posting about other systems. I have 3 Nikon DSLR bodies. I have no objection to mirrorless except that because everyone wants them, DSLRs are at fire sale prices. I have a D600, D750 and D850. I only recently bought the D850 and as far as I can tell it's a better camera than everything that came before the Z9. And what an amazing workhorse my D750 has been! But it finally started to succumb to all the abuse from dozens of weddings, travel, and on and on. The hotshoe stopped functioning and that's vital to my professional work so sent it off to be repaired asking for an estimate to repair/replace the hotshoe and generally go over the camera and see what else needs to be done. The shop came back with a cost of repairs that pretty much need to be done, at over $500. OK. That's a lot for a 10 year old camera with 120,000 clicks on the shutter. So thinking of trading it in as is, along with the D600. But what to buy? I'm not interested in going to the Z line because I have to either do everything with an adapter or buy new Z lenses. If price were no obstacle then a Z8 would be the way to go. But price is an obstacle. $4 grand for the body only, plus the adapter or Z lenses - just can't justify the expense. So the question is should I buy a used D750 or a used D850? I prefer to shoot the D850 at 25 mp resolution so forget the resolution diff. The D750 is a lot less money and weighs a little less. But the D850 has a much better AF system and handles much higher ISO levels. Low light performance is important for weddings and my hobby is shooting at night - the milky way, light painting, etc. So handling noise is important but so is low light focus ability. I've always had a lot of trouble focusing the D750 in low light because once you lose any contrast, it can't do it. I only just got my D850 so not enough experience to know. For you D850 owners, how good is it at getting focus at night? Anyone have both a D750 and D850 that can weigh in?
First, Sony and Canon make wonderful cameras, but ... (show quote)


If your a professional and you shoot a lot, the D850 is the only way to go. And as you have said in your post, they are giving them away new. I would not hesitate buying new, if your a professional.
Nikon has just dropped the D850 another $500.00. You could make up the difference on the first job you did.
When I shot professionally, I always bought new, did not want to chance a problem with a used piece.
Good luck and keep on shooting until the end.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?q=nikon%20d850&sts=ma

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Oct 18, 2023 09:39:27   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
Thomas902 wrote:
"The D750 is a remarkable camera. Well ahead of its time. Beautiful image quality. Built like a tank."

Hal the D750 is a consumer grade camera which lacks the robust build of a Pro Body... I shoot the D800e and D810 both of which are vastly better designed and made... btw, the D800e is actually made in Japan... Like the Lion's share of all Nikon's Pro Level cameras... See the Lifestyle Fitness Editorial below shot with a Nikon D810 (Pro-Body)

Your consumer D750 is made in Thailand... I also lacks 1/8000 of a second and has required more firmware fixes than nearly all other consumer grade Nikon's (except maybe the "Oil-Slinging" D600 which Nikon refused to acknowledge) That is until the heat became too intense... At this juncture they had to do a massive D600 recall...

Nope, the D750 feels like a toy to me after shooting my D3x for 10 hours straight... If you are happy with your D750 good for you... I certainly wouldn't trust it on a critical client assignment... btw, the D850 is rather useless to me since it doesn't have a popup flash which I use extensively as an optical trigger for my studio strobes... besides it's bloated file size slows post workflow and I'm not about to shoot it cropped... but then again if you don't have to post process a client's deliverables in a timely manor you'll not be much concerned about workflow optimization... Oh, your D850 is made offshore in Thailand also Hal... Not in Japan.

However thank you so much for choosing Nikon as your platform of choice...
An awesome vendor with a stellar track record who's kit I've been paying the bills with ever since my Nikon F3...
All the best on your photographic journey Hal... Cheers! Thomas
" i The D750 is a remarkable camera. Well ahe... (show quote)


FYI, the D810 was made in Thailand. All current Nikon cameras except the D6 and Df are made in Thailand. Economic reality. I too miss the pop up flash on the D810 I gave away to my son in-law.

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Oct 18, 2023 09:49:30   #
DaveyDitzer Loc: Western PA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
The D850 is both Nikon's best and final DSLR. But personally, I think D750 is the best mix of price and performance in the Nikon DSLRs. As you even admit, 46MP is overkill, unless you need a print size with that pixel resolution or need deep, deep crops into the image details. Only you can decide how best to spend your money, where any used D850, D750 or D780 seems like a logical replacement, although a repair might still be cost-effective, depending on what you can find in used body prices.


Even Nikon is slowly reducing prices on the D850 with intermittent sales. I love mine.

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Oct 18, 2023 09:58:35   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Hal Masover wrote:
First, Sony and Canon make wonderful cameras, but I'm not going to switch systems and I really do love my Nikons so please refrain from posting about other systems. I have 3 Nikon DSLR bodies. I have no objection to mirrorless except that because everyone wants them, DSLRs are at fire sale prices. I have a D600, D750 and D850. I only recently bought the D850 and as far as I can tell it's a better camera than everything that came before the Z9. And what an amazing workhorse my D750 has been! But it finally started to succumb to all the abuse from dozens of weddings, travel, and on and on. The hotshoe stopped functioning and that's vital to my professional work so sent it off to be repaired asking for an estimate to repair/replace the hotshoe and generally go over the camera and see what else needs to be done. The shop came back with a cost of repairs that pretty much need to be done, at over $500. OK. That's a lot for a 10 year old camera with 120,000 clicks on the shutter. So thinking of trading it in as is, along with the D600. But what to buy? I'm not interested in going to the Z line because I have to either do everything with an adapter or buy new Z lenses. If price were no obstacle then a Z8 would be the way to go. But price is an obstacle. $4 grand for the body only, plus the adapter or Z lenses - just can't justify the expense. So the question is should I buy a used D750 or a used D850? I prefer to shoot the D850 at 25 mp resolution so forget the resolution diff. The D750 is a lot less money and weighs a little less. But the D850 has a much better AF system and handles much higher ISO levels. Low light performance is important for weddings and my hobby is shooting at night - the milky way, light painting, etc. So handling noise is important but so is low light focus ability. I've always had a lot of trouble focusing the D750 in low light because once you lose any contrast, it can't do it. I only just got my D850 so not enough experience to know. For you D850 owners, how good is it at getting focus at night? Anyone have both a D750 and D850 that can weigh in?
First, Sony and Canon make wonderful cameras, but ... (show quote)


I think the D750 is fantastic, and it has a pop-up flash, which definitely comes in handy. I should sell mine, now that I'm on the Z Path, but I'm going to keep it for a while.

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Oct 18, 2023 10:25:18   #
photoman43
 
larryepage wrote:
The operating system and user interface of the D850 is very different from that of the D750. Since you are shooting the D850 at 25MP, I'd think about whether I'd noticed that and whether it makes any difference to me.

The D850 has some really cool functionality that is not available on the D750. If you've discovered that and if it makes a difference, I'd think about that.

There was a lot of discussion here when the D780 came out that it offered some key improvements over the D750, including in the area of AF. I don't have personal knowledge about that, but given the importance of AF to you, I'd suggest reading about it and deciding how much it might matter.

Final comment...most of the D750s that I've seen have been ridden pretty hard. I'd think about that, too.
The operating system and user interface of the D85... (show quote)


Larry wrote exactly what I was going to write. Since you already have a D850, I would get a second used D850. Look for one "lightly used." This might not be that difficult as smany may have been sold to fund Z8 or a Z9. A used D750 might be well used.

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Oct 18, 2023 10:48:42   #
Hal Masover Loc: Iowa and Florida
 
photoman43 wrote:
Larry wrote exactly what I was going to write. Since you already have a D850, I would get a second used D850. Look for one "lightly used." This might not be that difficult as smany may have been sold to fund Z8 or a Z9. A used D750 might be well used.


It's not. The one I bought about a month ago only has 9,600 shutter count. Shot a wedding with it and while the controls are a little different than the D750, it's only a little. I had planned to shoot the wedding with a D750 and D600. When I started shooting the D750's hotshoe failed so I grabbed the D850, which I'd only had for a week at that point. If you've never shot a wedding, it's rather intense in regards to equipment usage. Close to non-stop shooting for hours. With the D750 and D600, they are so similar that I rarely know which one I'm using. Shooting a wedding with the D850 and D600 the experience was similar, though a little more pronounced. But really, it's not a factor. So what if the ISO button is on top instead of down the left side? It's not like I change ISO much during a wedding.

And I found a used D750 with only 2,800 clicks on the shutter. Amazing. I guess it was owned by the proverbial little old lady who only drove it to church on Sundays. Trading in my old D750 as is, and a couple of lenses I never use and my out of pocket is just a few hundred - and I end up with a like new D750.

The only problem I'm finding is that I'm finding that there is almost zero market for my D600. It's in very good condition but the used camera places didn't want it and looking on Ebay the few on there have close to zero bids on them. I know the D600 had problems when new but mine was repaired by Nikon and zero problems since. So, I don't know. Might donate it to a school. It also raises the possibility that in a few years when I go to buy a used Z8 there won't be any market for the D750 anymore, but, as someone recently said, "I'll burn that bridge when I come to it."

Would I be better off with 2 D850's? It's open to debate. I only shoot about 10 weddings a year. For portrait work I only use one body. And for travel I really like the lower weight of the D750. So yeah, the model is at least partly obsolete but it still produces some of the best image quality with one of the largest dynamic range.

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Oct 18, 2023 11:05:20   #
Hal Masover Loc: Iowa and Florida
 
Thomas902 wrote:
"The D750 is a remarkable camera. Well ahead of its time. Beautiful image quality. Built like a tank."

Hal the D750 is a consumer grade camera which lacks the robust build of a Pro Body... I shoot the D800e and D810 both of which are vastly better designed and made... btw, the D800e is actually made in Japan... Like the Lion's share of all Nikon's Pro Level cameras... See the Lifestyle Fitness Editorial below shot with a Nikon D810 (Pro-Body)

Your consumer D750 is made in Thailand... I also lacks 1/8000 of a second and has required more firmware fixes than nearly all other consumer grade Nikon's (except maybe the "Oil-Slinging" D600 which Nikon refused to acknowledge) That is until the heat became too intense... At this juncture they had to do a massive D600 recall...

Nope, the D750 feels like a toy to me after shooting my D3x for 10 hours straight... If you are happy with your D750 good for you... I certainly wouldn't trust it on a critical client assignment... btw, the D850 is rather useless to me since it doesn't have a popup flash which I use extensively as an optical trigger for my studio strobes... besides it's bloated file size slows post workflow and I'm not about to shoot it cropped... but then again if you don't have to post process a client's deliverables in a timely manor you'll not be much concerned about workflow optimization... Oh, your D850 is made offshore in Thailand also Hal... Not in Japan.

However thank you so much for choosing Nikon as your platform of choice...
An awesome vendor with a stellar track record who's kit I've been paying the bills with ever since my Nikon F3...
All the best on your photographic journey Hal... Cheers! Thomas
" i The D750 is a remarkable camera. Well ahe... (show quote)


Thanks for your very detailed reply based on your considerable experience. But I see it differently. The D3 is a beast. So yeah, picking up a D750 after using it, it would feel small and cheap. But Nikon put carbon fiber in the D750 to lighten the weight. Wielding a D3 in a wedding, boy, what a workout. So I and my shoulders really appreciate Nikon's efforts to make the D750 a little lighter. As far as I can tell it has the lowest weight in the Nikon full frame lineup. That's an attraction to me.

As for build, I bought the camera new in 2014. I have shot something like 60 weddings with it, banging it through crowds, and I've traveled around the world with it. Had an ocean wave hit me in a sea cave with the camera hanging on my hip and getting totally submerged in salt water. In another sea cave the bag it was in washed overboard when we capsized. We were able to retrieve it but the bag was compromised. More salt water. And walking through a stream under a waterfall I tripped on rocks and the camera went completely underwater.

After all this and 120,000 clicks the camera finally needed repair. So if it's a toy, it's one of the best built toys ever.

I have a second shooter that has a D810. I process his photos. The only difference in the output is all those extra megapixels create more noise and take longer to load. Thanks but no thanks.

The flagship Nikons like the D3 typically have faster shutter speeds and frame rates per second. Very important if you shoot sports or high action. I don't. The D750 goes to 1/4000 of a sec. I can literally count on one hand the number of times that I bumped up against that as a problem. And if the build is even more durable, and I'm sure it is, it's overkill for me given what I've put my D750 through for 10 years.

For you and your uses, the flagships may be very important. For me they are expensive overbuilt very heavy pieces of gear.

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