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Oct 19, 2023 11:28:25   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
I won't copy the chart, but the Canon stats at Flickr this morning show more emphasis on DSLRs, with only 2 mirrorless in the top 5 for Canon. My 10-yr old EOS 5DIII falls #4 on the list from 390 of my fellow daily Flickr users ...

So, a great camera is 'great' over time, such as the D750s and D850s discussed in this thread.

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Oct 19, 2023 11:29:19   #
Hal Masover Loc: Iowa and Florida
 
Thomas902 wrote:
"... The D3 is a beast. So yeah, picking up a D750 after using it, it would feel small and cheap...

Hal, I would advise you to visit your favorite optometrist at your earliest convenience in as I clearly stated I shoot with the Nikon D3x (notice the "X" after the three). Released in December 2008 it remains Nikon's flagship DSLR and I'm likely going to retire while still shooting this epic DSLR (I have a pair and have used them on countless commercial assignments for well over a decade... Note that the D3x has the same resolution of your beloved D750. (I have very few clients who's requirements actually predicate that much resolution).

That said please do follow up with an ophthalmologist (specialist) if your optometrist believes you may have a more complex medical issue... I've had several colleagues suffer catastrophic vision loss due to Age-related Macular Degeneration (a devastating silent condition if not discovered in a timely manner.)

As for your beloved Nikon D750? It still is highly popular even today (October 19, 2023) and flickr statistics validate the aforementioned. See below.

Final thoughts? Hal the most valuable camera accessory I've purchased in the past decade is my flickr Pro Membership. Why? flickr allows you to search via EXIF data embedded within image files.... Thus I'm able to analyze the degree of "commercial publication quality" latent within same. This is possible both by camera body and attached lens. Publication Image Quality (I've discovered) rarely correlates 1:1 directly to popularity... However camera build quality approaches this far more accurately... I assisted many commercial photographers in my market, they all shared the same advice... Wait until the next vendor high end model release and then purchase "Old" new stock at considerable savings. Lesson's learned.

Again wishing you much success on your photographic journey Hal...
Cheers! Thomas
" i ... The D3 is a beast. So yeah, picking u... (show quote)


Thanks for the research. It's very interesting and I'm glad to see the D750 is still so popular. I seriously considered buying a 2nd D850 as it's much more advanced than the D750 and pretty inexpensive at this point but I value the lower weight of the D750 for travel so as I already have one D850, going to stick with the D750 for the 2nd body.

As for vision - yes, at age 72, have my share of issues but it wasn't vision that was the problem. It was reading too fast. My photography mentor recently bought a used D3. Haven't heard from him yet how he likes it. But the D3X seems to be quite different than the D3. Interesting that they kept the same D3 designation for it.

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Oct 19, 2023 11:35:22   #
Hal Masover Loc: Iowa and Florida
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
I won't copy the chart, but the Canon stats at Flickr this morning show more emphasis on DSLRs, with only 2 mirrorless in the top 5 for Canon. My 10-yr old EOS 5DIII falls #4 on the list from 390 of my fellow daily Flickr users ...

So, a great camera is 'great' over time, such as the D750s and D850s discussed in this thread.


Someone else in this thread pointed out that once sensors reached 24 MPX that they hit a sweet spot of resolution. I have certainly felt that way which is why I shoot my new D850 at 25 MPX. Image quality does not seem to have improved in the last decade, nor has dynamic range. All the improvements are in other areas - frame rates per second, metering, all important AF, and other similar things. So it's not surprising to me that DSLRs of the last decade are still high on the list. New mirrorless cameras are pricey. The old cameras were extremely well built. Why spend money you don't have to spend? If I really needed better AF, instead of just lusting for it ;), or some other aspect of the new cameras, then maybe. But still, you have to learn a new camera and you have to spend a lot of money.

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Oct 19, 2023 13:24:54   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
Hal Masover wrote:
Someone else in this thread pointed out that once sensors reached 24 MPX that they hit a sweet spot of resolution. I have certainly felt that way which is why I shoot my new D850 at 25 MPX. Image quality does not seem to have improved in the last decade, nor has dynamic range. All the improvements are in other areas - frame rates per second, metering, all important AF, and other similar things. So it's not surprising to me that DSLRs of the last decade are still high on the list. New mirrorless cameras are pricey. The old cameras were extremely well built. Why spend money you don't have to spend? If I really needed better AF, instead of just lusting for it ;), or some other aspect of the new cameras, then maybe. But still, you have to learn a new camera and you have to spend a lot of money.
Someone else in this thread pointed out that once ... (show quote)


I tend to agree that IQ hasn't improved over the past decade. It's all about features now. The most impressive pictures I've taken were with the D810 that I passed on to my son in law when I got GAS and bought a D850. Great camera, but a dumb decision. I don't need the additional features and speed. Anyway, it will almost certainly be my last camera.

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Oct 19, 2023 13:37:05   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
therwol wrote:
I tend to agree that IQ hasn't improved over the past decade. It's all about features now. The most impressive pictures I've taken were with the D810 that I passed on to my son in law when I got GAS and bought a D850. Great camera, but a dumb decision. I don't need the additional features and speed. Anyway, it will almost certainly be my last camera.


Features are better, especially mirrorless, and then even more: the mirrorless-specific lenses. Changes to the lens mount for mirrorless enable different and better lenses. The newest (and most expensive) mirrorless lenses are amazing wide open, better than any aperture size of the older D/SLR designs.

That said, giving up on great to get greatest is a fool's errand. There will always be something newest and better, but none of those improvements impact the existing equipment. None of the DSLRs turn to dust when a MILC is sold.

The Thomas902 chart would be a great way to investigate the differences, if any. His chart, if you're actively onto Flickr.com, is interactive, in the sense you can click the camera and get a display of images that support that count. What the gear-heads don't understand is you're looking at the artist's edited results, not the native capabilities of the camera body. Those images are more about the lenses, and the digital editing, not the camera or even 'how / how much' the body enabled that result in the hands of the artist.

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Oct 19, 2023 13:45:01   #
Hal Masover Loc: Iowa and Florida
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Features are better, especially mirrorless, and then even more: the mirrorless-specific lenses. Changes to the lens mount for mirrorless enable different and better lenses. The newest (and most expensive) mirrorless lenses are amazing wide open, better than any aperture size of the older D/SLR designs.

That said, giving up on great to get greatest is a fool's errand. There will always be something newest and better, but none of those improvements impact the existing equipment. None of the DSLRs turn to dust when a MILC is sold.

The Thomas902 chart would be a great way to investigate the differences, if any. His chart, if you're actively onto Flickr.com, is interactive, in the sense you can click the camera and get a display of images that support that count. What the gear-heads don't understand is you're looking at the artist's edited results, not the native capabilities of the camera body. Those images are more about the lenses, and the digital editing, not the camera or even 'how / how much' the body enabled that result in the hands of the artist.
Features are better, especially mirrorless, and th... (show quote)



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Oct 19, 2023 13:46:20   #
TonyP Loc: New Zealand
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Features are better, especially mirrorless, and then even more: the mirrorless-specific lenses. Changes to the lens mount for mirrorless enable different and better lenses. The newest (and most expensive) mirrorless lenses are amazing wide open, better than any aperture size of the older D/SLR designs.

That said, giving up on great to get greatest is a fool's errand. There will always be something newest and better, but none of those improvements impact the existing equipment. None of the DSLRs turn to dust when a MILC is sold.

The Thomas902 chart would be a great way to investigate the differences, if any. His chart, if you're actively onto Flickr.com, is interactive, in the sense you can click the camera and get a display of images that support that count. What the gear-heads don't understand is you're looking at the artist's edited results, not the native capabilities of the camera body. Those images are more about the lenses, and the digital editing, not the camera or even 'how / how much' the body enabled that result in the hands of the artist.
Features are better, especially mirrorless, and th... (show quote)


The final paragraph, last sentence, in your post is one of the most astute comments I have seen and applies to many camera reviews. Often, few sample images, showing what the camera can do, are tagged with SOC. Usually just f stop, lens and camera model.

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Oct 19, 2023 15:22:45   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
What the gear-heads don't understand is you're looking at the artist's edited results, not the native capabilities of the camera body. Those images are more about the lenses, and the digital editing, not the camera or even 'how / how much' the body enabled that result in the hands of the artist.


Excellent comment.

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Oct 23, 2023 22:20:34   #
JBuckley
 
I have been saving up for one of Nikon's 7500's.
I particularly like the (flexible) fold down (touch), viewing screen.
The price differences to the D750 and D850 are a little pricey,
but are they worth the extra money?

I am wondering why they stopped putting the folding screen on their cameras.
(Could it be that they, often, break or have problems?

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Oct 23, 2023 22:27:43   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
JBuckley wrote:
I have been saving up for one of Nikon's 7500's.
I particularly like the (flexible) fold down (touch), viewing screen.
The price differences to the D750 and D850 are a little pricey,
but are they worth the extra money?

I am wondering why they stopped putting the folding screen on their cameras.
(Could it be that they, often, break or have problems?


They're certainly more likely to break than a camera that doesn't have that extending equipment. But, look at the calendar. It's October 2023. Don't pay 'new' money for an old camera. Get a lightly used DSLR, as they've all been discontinued.

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Oct 23, 2023 22:43:04   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
JBuckley wrote:
I have been saving up for one of Nikon's 7500's.
I particularly like the (flexible) fold down (touch), viewing screen.
The price differences to the D750 and D850 are a little pricey,
but are they worth the extra money?

I am wondering why they stopped putting the folding screen on their cameras.
(Could it be that they, often, break or have problems?


Before my local camera repair shop closed in 2020, the owner told me that 70-80% of repairs for camera models with articulating screens were related to those screens. He didn't have numbers for the models with tilting screens, which told me that they do not have anywhere near that high a failure rate.

There are some significant differences between the D7500 and the full-frame D750/780 and D850 models. You would need to study what these differences are and decide whether they are worth the difference in price to you.

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Oct 23, 2023 22:53:20   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
But, look at the calendar. It's October 2023. Don't pay 'new' money for an old camera. Get a lightly used DSLR, as they've all been discontinued.


Nikon is still selling four "new" DSLRs, D7500, D780, D850 and D6. They haven't been discontinued....yet. The death watch continues.

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Oct 23, 2023 22:54:05   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
larryepage wrote:
Before my local camera repair shop closed in 2020, the owner told me that 70-80% of repairs for camera models with articulating screens were related to those screens. He didn't have numbers for the models with tilting screens, which told me that they do not have anywhere near that high a failure rate.

There are some significant differences between the D7500 and the full-frame D750 and D850 models. Ypu would need to study what these differences are and decide whether they are worth the difference in price to you.
Before my local camera repair shop closed in 2020,... (show quote)


One major difference might be the sensor size and the type of lenses you already own, where going FX is a waste of money with DX lenses, or a money pit, after adding the necessary FX lenses ... money you could have spent going mirrorless.

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Oct 23, 2023 22:56:30   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
therwol wrote:
Nikon is still selling four "new" DSLRs, D7500, D780, D850 and D6. They haven't been discontinued....yet. The death watch continues.


Selling new or making new? Either way, the newest model in this list dates to a 2020 release. Nikon is already on mark II versions of some of their MILCs. Never spend new money on an old camera. I have spoken.

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