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Dec 19, 2012 09:45:37   #
LaughBrian Loc: Tn
 
WHATS THE POINT OF MORE LAWS. THE PEOPLE KILLING EVERY ONE DIDNT FOLLOW ANY LAW OR THEY WOULD NOT HAVE KILLED!!!!! THE LAWS ONLY EFECT PEOPLE WHO RESPECT THEM. NOT THE SICK IN THE HEAD OR TWISTED MORRONS OF THE WORLD. LAWS ONLY WORK IF PEOPLE OBEY THEM. THEY ARE TARGETING THOSE WHO OBEY THE LAW AND IT WONT STOP THIS!

OUTLAW GUNS AND ONLY OUTLAWS WILL HAVE THEM!!!!!!!

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Dec 19, 2012 09:45:41   #
Bangee5 Loc: Louisiana
 
star2344 wrote:
Why?


Use Quote Reply with statements like Why? Why what and to whom are you speaking to. Its like standing in a crowd were everone is talking at one time and you speak up and say Why?

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Dec 19, 2012 09:52:04   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
coast lawyer..you are just wrong....semi-automatic weapons with attachable magazines with "large capacity" are considered assault weapons..as are shotguns with magazines over 5 rounds...there are many,many weapons that are defined as assault weapons that are not fully automatic...some of these semi-automatics can be coverted to fully auto but some cant..also has to do with if the weapon may be folded up...many criteria but magazine capacity is a more important criteria than "fully-Auto"...

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Dec 19, 2012 09:55:18   #
ted45 Loc: Delaware
 
coastlawyer wrote:
Pepper wrote:
coastlawyer wrote:
"But I do hope that Congress will pass a ban on assault weapons."

Congress did in 1994.


I'm just curious coastlawyer, what is your definition of an "assault weapon" that seems to be a point of contention.


With one pull of the trigger an assault rifle will empty the ammunition on board. Fully automatic, not just automatic reload, such as a 45 pistol, or AR 15.


By your definition an"assault rifle" is a fully automatic weapon. The only way you can buy such a weapon today is to obtain a very expensive license from the ATF. Of course, what criminal follows the law. With a little ability you can modify any weapon to be fully automatic.

The story no one in the liberal press is reporting is the fact that the existing gun laws worked in Connecticut. The shooter attempted to purchase a gun and was turned down. He then stole the guns he used from his mother after killing her.

Laws do not matter to those that intend to break them.

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Dec 19, 2012 10:11:30   #
star2344 Loc: Lakewood Ranch, FLorida
 
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Dec 19, 2012 10:21:50   #
krf4 Loc: Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio
 
the_imaginist wrote:
Ahh, you probably thought that I was going to say ban all guns. Not so. In reality I don't personally like guns, but would not ban all fire arms. But I do hope that Congress will pass a ban on assault weapons. I don't see the need for them in private life.

No, actually my post is about Gun Control... responsible control of the guns that you own. Lifetime responsibility of that weapon.

Here is how works;

Every firearm carries a title. Fully registered. Just like an automobile. When it's sold that ownership is transferred. All guns are titled and insured, and owners are licensed(certified) to operate. If the gun ever shows up at a crime scene or an accidental shooting, you are still held to some level of responsibility because you didn't exercise enough "control" over that firearm. (Gun safes) If you sell it, then you have to go through the same basic channels as selling a vehicle. Don't try to argue it's too complicated because it goes on every day with motor vehicles.

Insurance is mandatory..... too expensive? Take it up with the gun lobby and have them convince the insurance lobby that responsible gun ownership really is safer than automobiles.
Ahh, you probably thought that I was going to say ... (show quote)


Now that you brought the automobile into this, apply the same rule you listed to that automobile, if it is used in a crime the original owner is liable to some extent. Do you really want this? Where would it stop? That may be why there is some resistance to some controls. My two cents worth.

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Dec 19, 2012 10:29:40   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
The driver is what is insured not the car. You can or cannot insure the car. But, the driver has to carry liability for his/her actions behind the wheel.



sloscheider wrote:
Why mandatory insurance? Why should anyone care if I have insurance on my gun or my camera or my toaster? Even automobile insurance is silly - insure the driver not the car - some drivers are higher risk drivers while others are quite safe. The car isn't more or less dangerous, it's the driver. If I drive someone elses car why shouldn't I be responsible?

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Dec 19, 2012 10:35:18   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
The old criminal argument. The vast majority of crimes do not involve a gun!

Victimizations involving a firearm represented 8% of the 6.3 million violent crimes of rape and sexual assault, robbery, and aggravated and simple assault.

The FBI's Crime in the United States estimated that 66% of the 15,517 murders in 2000 were committed with firearms.

http://www.policyalmanac.org/crime/archive/firearms_and_crime.shtml

As for illegal arms being smuggled into the US - horsefeathers!

http://www.policyalmanac.org/crime/archive/firearms_and_crime.shtml

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Dec 19, 2012 10:35:59   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
NO insurance company is going to pay for a felony comitted by a gunowner (assuming the gunowner is the policy holder)..cant imagine what the premiums would be if so...

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Dec 19, 2012 10:42:33   #
MtnMan Loc: ID
 
Wellhiem wrote:
Robert Graybeal wrote:
tpx wrote:
ID like to say, here in victoria australia, we have the best gun laws in the world?you guys over there are damm crazy about guns,every household does not need guns? why


Why won't people learn from history?
Australia - gun control - higher crime rate
U.S.A. - less gun control - lower crime rate
Switzerland - gov't issues guns - lowest crime rate


Australia - Higher alcohol consumption - Higher crime rate.
U.S.A. - Medium alcohol consumption - Lower crime rate.
Switzerland - Lowest alcohol consumption - Lowest crime rate.


Australia - Most sheep - Higher crime rate.
U.S.A. - Fewer sheep - Lower crime rate.
Switzerland - Not many sheep - Lowest crime rate.

Look hard enough and you'll find a patern anywhere.
quote=Robert Graybeal quote=tpx ID like to say, ... (show quote)


Yeah, but Switzerland has a lot of cows.

Proof
Proof...

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Dec 19, 2012 11:41:13   #
geophoto
 
I would like to see you make this argument in front of the parents who lost their first graders...imagine standing their telling them how safe they are because of all the guns we have.

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Dec 19, 2012 11:43:05   #
geophoto
 
then we should outlaw cars cause they are really stinking dangerous.

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Dec 19, 2012 12:28:21   #
sloscheider Loc: Minnesota
 
ole sarg wrote:
The driver is what is insured not the car. You can or cannot insure the car. But, the driver has to carry liability for his/her actions behind the wheel.

sloscheider wrote:
Why mandatory insurance? Why should anyone care if I have insurance on my gun or my camera or my toaster? Even automobile insurance is silly - insure the driver not the car - some drivers are higher risk drivers while others are quite safe. The car isn't more or less dangerous, it's the driver. If I drive someone elses car why shouldn't I be responsible?
The driver is what is insured not the car. You can... (show quote)


But I presently have two cars and am paying for liability insurance twice... If I'm being insured and not the car shouldn't I just pay once? If I had 5 cars the present system would require me to get 5 liability policies...

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Dec 19, 2012 12:29:54   #
sloscheider Loc: Minnesota
 
star2344 wrote:
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HELLO??? HELLO??? Who are you talking to ???

The first time you asked "Why?" WHY WHAT? TO WHOM?

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Dec 19, 2012 12:57:42   #
LaughBrian Loc: Tn
 
LaughBrian wrote:
WHATS THE POINT OF MORE LAWS. THE PEOPLE KILLING EVERY ONE DIDNT FOLLOW ANY LAW OR THEY WOULD NOT HAVE KILLED!!!!! THE LAWS ONLY EFECT PEOPLE WHO RESPECT THEM. NOT THE SICK IN THE HEAD OR TWISTED MORRONS OF THE WORLD. LAWS ONLY WORK IF PEOPLE OBEY THEM. THEY ARE TARGETING THOSE WHO OBEY THE LAW AND IT WONT STOP THIS!

OUTLAW GUNS AND ONLY OUTLAWS WILL HAVE THEM!!!!!!!


wow no one????????

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