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Dec 29, 2012 05:13:11   #
tpx Loc: Victoria, Australia
 
its not a higher crime rate because of guns! we dont have killings every day?

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Jan 1, 2014 18:29:14   #
heyrob Loc: Western Washington
 
the_imaginist wrote:
Ahh, you probably thought that I was going to say ban all guns. Not so. In reality I don't personally like guns, but would not ban all fire arms. But I do hope that Congress will pass a ban on assault weapons. I don't see the need for them in private life.

No, actually my post is about Gun Control... responsible control of the guns that you own. Lifetime responsibility of that weapon.

Here is how works;

Every firearm carries a title. Fully registered. Just like an automobile. When it's sold that ownership is transferred. All guns are titled and insured, and owners are licensed(certified) to operate. If the gun ever shows up at a crime scene or an accidental shooting, you are still held to some level of responsibility because you didn't exercise enough "control" over that firearm. (Gun safes) If you sell it, then you have to go through the same basic channels as selling a vehicle. Don't try to argue it's too complicated because it goes on every day with motor vehicles.

Insurance is mandatory..... too expensive? Take it up with the gun lobby and have them convince the insurance lobby that responsible gun ownership really is safer than automobiles.
Ahh, you probably thought that I was going to say ... (show quote)


What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?

As for your comment about "Assault Weapons" just what are those? Like most anti-gun types, you have no understanding of that which you seem to fear. There is no such animal, as an assault Weapon, it is a label given by the news media nothing more. Any weapon, gun, knife, or rock could be used as an assault weapon, or as a defensive weapon, it depends upon it's use, so the label is just plain silly. As for not being held in private hands, that was exactly the intent of the 2nd amendment, that guarantee is not about hunting, or just defending yourself or your home, it's about defending our freedoms from government tyranny. I saw a quote recently that speaks to this idea quite well.

"If you are for gun control, you are not against guns, because guns will be necessary to disarm the public. Therefore you aren't anti-gun. You'll still need the police's guns to take mine and other law-abiding gun owners guns away. So in reality you are pro-gun, you just believe that only the government (which is, of course, is so reliable, honest, moral and virtuous...) should be allowed to have guns. There is no such thing as gun control, there is only the centralizing of gun ownership in the hands of the small political elite and their minions."
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Jan 1, 2014 18:41:57   #
heyrob Loc: Western Washington
 
MtnMan wrote:
Just saw a PBS program where the Senator from North Dakota noted they have the highest gun ownership rate in the U.S. .... and the lowest gun violence rates.

I wouldn't be surprised to see that is a pretty strong general correlation given that it seems the places with the most restrictive gun laws (e.g. Connecticut) have the highest gun violence rates.

I understand that correlation does not draw a cause-effect arrow.

Here's some actual data on an international level:

http://gunowners.org/op0746.htm

I also understand facts have nothing to do with what happens in Washington D.C.

Here's a partial quote:

"For example, though Norway has far and away the highest firearm ownership per capita in Western Europe, it nevertheless has the lowest murder rate. Other nations with high firearms ownership and comparably low murder rates include Denmark, Greece, Switzerland, Germany and Austria. Holland has a 50 percent higher murder rate despite having the lowest rate of firearm ownership in Europe. And Luxembourg, despite its total handgun ban, has a murder rate that is nine times higher than countries such as Norway and Austria.

It turns out that in nations where guns are less available, criminals manage to get them anyway. After decades of ever-stricter gun controls, England banned handguns and confiscated them from all permit holders in 1997. Yet by 2000, England had the industrialized world's highest violent crime rate -- twice that of the U.S. Despite the confiscation of law-abiding Englishmen's handguns, a 2002 report of England's National Crime Intelligence Service lamented that while "Britain has some of the strictest gun laws in the world, it appears that anyone who wishes to obtain a firearm illegally will have little difficulty in doing so."
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EXACTLY! Tough anti-gun laws, equals higher crime rates, little or no control, (or like Kennesaw, GA where it's mandatory) equal very low crime rates. Chicago has tough anti-gun laws and had 532 murders in 2012, Seattle has few laws beyond the State statutes, and had 26 murders in 2012. There is significant evidence that fewer guns doesn't reduce crime, the opposite is true, but the anti-gun zealots refuse to believe the evidence and continue to advocate for more and more gun laws.

Einstein said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Therefore passing more and more laws is just insanity.

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