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Jun 5, 2023 16:52:19   #
Canisdirus
 
DavidPhares wrote:
Just what makes you so sure we were the first of anything?


If one is paying attention to several fields of sciences...

We are the first generation...to know what is what.

No one did before.

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Jun 5, 2023 20:48:02   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
One thing that amazes me is the amount of matter that supposedly came from nothing. On top of that, how did whatever started the flow decide to shut off the tap? I think there's more to it than that, including that all matter is held together by a special particle. Just think what the universe would be without it!! Porridge.

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Jun 5, 2023 21:01:49   #
Canisdirus
 
There is no such thing as 'nothing' in the universe.

That is a man made construct...which is incorrect.

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Jun 5, 2023 21:47:54   #
bcheary Loc: Jacksonville, FL
 
SteveR wrote:
One thing that amazes me is the amount of matter that supposedly came from nothing. On top of that, how did whatever started the flow decide to shut off the tap? I think there's more to it than that, including that all matter is held together by a special particle. Just think what the universe would be without it!! Porridge.



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Jun 5, 2023 21:48:59   #
bcheary Loc: Jacksonville, FL
 
Canisdirus wrote:
There is no such thing as 'nothing' in the universe.

That is a man made construct...which is incorrect.


How did you derive that?

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Jun 5, 2023 22:33:45   #
dwermske
 
According to a number of scientists that have been reviewing the pictures taken by the James Webb Telescope it appears that Big Bang may not have happened. See the following link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSJ7F7ckhPM

James Webb Telescope Just Debunked ALL Modern Theories Of The Universe

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Jun 6, 2023 01:52:54   #
Canisdirus
 
bcheary wrote:
How did you derive that?


Because science has found that there is no such thing as nothing...no such thing as "empty space".

The universe is made up of 25 particles...most are standard...but some are random.

Some are popping in and out of existence...everywhere...why there is no such thing as...nothing.

There is always something.

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Jun 6, 2023 06:43:56   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
Caribou wrote:
This is a subject I find absolutely fascinating but it is well beyond my comprehension. As you ask, what came BEFORE the Big Bang?


By my limited experience, it starts from lighting a fuze, then running and screaming then the big bang. Every now and then the big bang is followed by sirens and angry mommas...

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Jun 6, 2023 06:47:39   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
whatdat wrote:
And what is the universe in?

The simplest explanation would a very big empty space.

whatdat wrote:
Does our universe have a boundary?

The universe? Sure. Where the universe is, probably none. Because that empty space having a boundary will just mean there is another empty space to contain it.

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Jun 6, 2023 06:53:22   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
MrBob wrote:
Actually Science has found that it is expanding at an EVER increasing rate... Who knows why... Dark Energy ?

Probably the energy of the stars pushing each other away, just like the burning grains inside a rifle barrel pushes the bullet in a increasing rate until they burn out or reach the muzzle end.

MrBob wrote:
At the rate this civilization is progressing we will prob. wink out as being undesirable !

Aye, the strongest amongst us are not great samples of humanity.

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Jun 6, 2023 08:35:50   #
OldIkon Loc: Indiana, USA
 
At some point, all effects require a cause. The "nothing" postulated before the "Big Bang" had to truly be nothing - no time, matter, energy, anything. If there was "something" (the singularity) before the Big Bang, what caused it to Bang? If it was something internal to itself, why did it bang when it did? What initiated the cause? - In the end, there must be a First Cause - a starting point for all causes.

It is not practically possible have an infinite series of events in the past and the Second Law of Thermodynamics prevents there being an infinite expansion-collapse-expansion of successive universes.

The best statement of the situation before the Big Bang is the Kalam Cosmological Argument :

1. Whatever begins to exist has a cause of its beginning.

2. The universe began to exist.

3. Therefore, the universe has a cause of its beginning.

If there is nothing before the Universe begins, what caused it? The only logical answer is something timeless (not dependent on time or outside of time, which did not exist), space-less (does not occupy space that did not yet exist), immaterial (not composed of matter, which also did not exist), powerful (able to provide all of the power necessary to generate the matter and energy in the universe - think E=MC2), and intelligent/willful (the fine tuning of the universe for life implies it is deliberate, only a mind or will can initiate a creative act. Forces respond to other causes, they cannot initiate anything - just as nothing can initiate the creation of something).

For a fuller explanation, I suggest a visit to https://www.reasonablefaith.org/writings/popular-writings/existence-nature-of-god/the-kalam-cosmological-argument.

From Psalm 19:
1 The heavens declare the glory of God;
the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
2 Day after day they pour forth speech;
night after night they reveal knowledge.
3 They have no speech, they use no words;
no sound is heard from them.
4 Yet their voice[b] goes out into all the earth,
their words to the ends of the world.

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Jun 6, 2023 09:51:56   #
tairving Loc: Magnolia, Texas USA
 
Here is a discussion on that question from one of the scientists from Fermilab. It tells us what is known and what is not known.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dr6nNvw55C4&t=2s

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Jun 6, 2023 09:54:59   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
I think one of our biggest problems is our very nature itself... We exist in a dualistic existence which causes all differentiation and impedes progress towards whatever singularity there might be... When we say someone is tall, by natural inference we acknowledge that some are also short. If we say it is light out we naturally infer that there is a state of dark also and maybe everything in between. We are all just speculating and until that final realization of " I Am That I Am" we will continue our individual searches... Something infers there is a nothing, and nothing implies there is a something. Right now I see my coffee cup is empty and I envision it being full... Cheers.

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Jun 6, 2023 11:24:23   #
LestheK
 
I find science fascinating. Back in the late 40's and early 50's we learned, in science class, that the world was flat, nothing could live below 600 foot in the ocean, there were 9 planets, and there was no mention of where all the water came from. All this has changed. Life below 600 feet, 8 planets. Possibly a ninth if we can find it, and that the water possibly came from comets or asteroids. I watch "How the universe works". What will our grandchildren learn?

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Jun 6, 2023 11:30:35   #
Canisdirus
 
The only objective cause to our universe is from something outside of our universe.

That's all that can be said...with any amount of accuracy.

What we do know now is...we are not designed for...anything...other to exist...shortly.
By some set of circumstances...we have evolved to have the ability to observe the natural processes.

We come from the Earth...we are the Earth...we have always been...Earthlings.
We aren't going anywhere...we stay...our elements aggregated back into the ever changing mix.

Our lives are predetermined...without destiny...without any more purpose than what we assign to ourselves.

We have no actual free will...more like running a chemical fuse line.
Whatever you are going to think next...is unknown to you...but you will think it.

Enjoy for the first time in mankind's history...
Enjoy for the first time that you actually know what the universe is about and what our place in it truly is.

We don't register to the universe...buy we can still live full lives...at least knowing for the first time our circumstances with an amount of accuracy.

One must drop the ego first however.

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