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Jun 5, 2023 12:01:05   #
bcheary Loc: Jacksonville, FL
 
whatdat wrote:
And what is the universe in? Does our universe have a boundary?


Apparently not!

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Jun 5, 2023 12:01:44   #
bcheary Loc: Jacksonville, FL
 
MrBob wrote:
What we don't know, we don't know... It seems that everything is cyclical in nature so just from what we know so far it would be possible that our universe had its beginning from the output of an enormous concentration of matter emanating from the output of the backside of a black hole... Maybe there is an endless number of universes. INFINITE is a big word whether referring to material or spiritual... We do know that our universe is expanding at an ever increasing rate and will eventually be a DARK, LIFELESS, COLD place to be. Could this so called dead space be the space that another Big Bang would occupy ? Ah, time for more coffee...
What we don't know, we don't know... It seems that... (show quote)



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Jun 5, 2023 12:02:53   #
bcheary Loc: Jacksonville, FL
 
neillaubenthal wrote:
I’ve seen theories that eventually the universe will run out of energy and start slowing down and contracting due to gravity…and after some godawfully long time it will collapse into a really big black hole that then results in another big bang…which means that conceptually we could be on the 3rd big bang or even more…or if one is religious then it could be that the spiritual supreme being created the universe via the Big Bang. Nobody will ever know I guess. I can say that the possibility that absolutely nothing existed before the Big Bang is pretty much impossible…because something can’t spontaneously create itself out of nothing…so something existed before the bang. Material, spiritual…that’s the difference between a theist and an atheist.
I’ve seen theories that eventually the universe wi... (show quote)


Good reasoning!

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Jun 5, 2023 12:03:26   #
bcheary Loc: Jacksonville, FL
 
FredCM wrote:
Remember, nature hates a vacuum. Stephen Hawking theorized that black holes can evaporate because atoms and anti-atoms can spontaneously appear (without upsetting the balance of nature) near the edge of a black hole and only the anti-atom gets sucked into the black hole. This anti-atom destroys an atom somewhere along the way, lessening the mass of the black hole by 1 atom. Eventually the black hole evaporates.

So... matter can appear spontaneously. Before the Big Bang there were no positives and antis to worry about.
Remember, nature hates a vacuum. Stephen Hawking t... (show quote)



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Jun 5, 2023 12:30:09   #
JBRIII
 
SteveR wrote:
Who said there was no space? It was just empty. However, time is a human construct.


Not in the way they are saying it happened. Space is something like a substance that is part of universe. It was created at the moment of the big band and is expanding, but nothing exists beyond it.

Another point of interest, everything we see in the universe makes up ~5% of what is there. ~24% is dark matter which exerts gravitation force or galaxies would fly apart, but we have no idea what it is made of. Rest of universe is dark energy which is causing expansion, but again no idea what it is. So universe came from nowhere and we only know what 5% of it is, and no idea why the forces of nature, gravity, strong nuclear force are what they are?

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Jun 5, 2023 13:18:19   #
Caribou Loc: St. Louis, MO
 
Ichiban365 wrote:
Scientists have been able to recover a sound from two seconds before the Big Bang.

When they played it back, it was: "Uh-oh".


I can believe that.

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Jun 5, 2023 13:35:21   #
rck281 Loc: Overland Park, KS
 
E=mc(squared) implies that matter can be created from energy. It's not a one way street.

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Jun 5, 2023 14:16:37   #
One Rude Dawg Loc: Athol, ID
 
bcheary wrote:
Quora.com

What was before the Big Bang? If there was no space or time during that moment, how did everything suddenly appear out of nowhere in an instant?

The Big Bang did not emerge from nothing but from singularity that encompasses everything within a density such that it equals zero. We have not yet discovered the precise how, but we have observed the effects.
The observations of the Hubble and JWST have provided extensive data as to the early origins of the universe which continue to challenge what we think we know and thought we knew.
Quora.com br br What was before the Big Bang? If ... (show quote)


The only thing I know for sure is that I don't know. Anybody who says they do is full of s t.

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Jun 5, 2023 14:27:55   #
frankco Loc: Colorado
 
Ichiban365 wrote:
Scientists have been able to recover a sound from two seconds before the Big Bang.

When they played it back, it was: "Uh-oh".


I'd heard it was "Honey, hold my beer while I light this."

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Jun 5, 2023 14:44:40   #
Amielee Loc: Eastern Washington State
 
MrBob wrote:
So much we don't know... There is not even consensus on how a signal propagates along a conductor. Schools still teach that electrons flow like water in a pipe.... Even B. Franklin had it wrong about current direction; hence conventional current and electron current. You think the Canonite Nikonite battles are bad here, go on an audio site and start discussing high end cables and signal propagation... Ha Ha


Ben Franklin did not know the direction current flowed because he had no instrument to tell him and he had to guess. He did guess wrong. I was taught that AC current flows through the wire like water in a pipe and DC current travels through wire only on the surface of the wire. That is why household wire (Romex) is single stranded and automotive wire is multi stranded. The information may have changed and I would be open to knowing.

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Jun 5, 2023 15:07:50   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
Amielee wrote:
Ben Franklin did not know the direction current flowed because he had no instrument to tell him and he had to guess. He did guess wrong. I was taught that AC current flows through the wire like water in a pipe and DC current travels through wire only on the surface of the wire. That is why household wire (Romex) is single stranded and automotive wire is multi stranded. The information may have changed and I would be open to knowing.


I hear you... Yes, to the best of our knowledge current does flow, but NOT electrons as books still teach... They might wobble and move a little but the charges are the things that flow... I belong to a lot of audio forums and do not profess to be any authority on electronics but it seems there is STILL no consensus on how a signal propagates along an audio cable... Through the center, on the exterior, or maybe along the magnetic field... Therefore we have our own constant flame wars between the different custom cable manufactures as WHY their designs transmit with less distortion Etc... BTW, very interesting info on DC and AC and how they travel... A little exchange of info is nice without folks resorting to insults etc... BTW, I DID buy into Upper end cable and I DID notice a difference... subtle, but noticeable. Maybe just the " Expectation effect " but then again who cares as long as it is REAL to you...

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Jun 5, 2023 15:20:49   #
DavidPhares Loc: Chandler, Arizona
 
Canisdirus wrote:
There's no such thing as 'nothing' in the universe.

Just undiscovered country.

This is a dark matter universe...what we consider to be the universe...is but a film of elements lying in a vast ocean of dark matter...insignificant statistically to the universe...an afterthought...side effect.

We are the first generations of mankind to understand...something.
We are observers...not participants.
We are the first to actually know that as a culture...

Be glad...at least you know.
None of your ancestors knew...the information simply wasn't obtainable.

No free will...but you get to at least observe something with clarity.

It's a first.
There's no such thing as 'nothing' in the universe... (show quote)


Just what makes you so sure we were the first of anything?

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Jun 5, 2023 16:10:20   #
Old Coot
 
whatdat wrote:
And what is the universe in? Does our universe have a boundary?


I believe our universe is just like an atom in an even larger universe

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Jun 5, 2023 16:49:24   #
bcheary Loc: Jacksonville, FL
 
rck281 wrote:
E=mc(squared) implies that matter can be created from energy. It's not a one way street.



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Jun 5, 2023 16:49:45   #
bcheary Loc: Jacksonville, FL
 
One Rude Dawg wrote:
The only thing I know for sure is that I don't know. Anybody who says they do is full of s t.



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