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Jun 5, 2023 09:45:32   #
cyclespeed Loc: Calgary, Alberta Canada
 
Have you thought of a donation to a worthy cause?

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Jun 5, 2023 09:54:38   #
pdsdville Loc: Midlothian, Tx
 
I agree with Mark Sturtevant. Pick it up, shoot with it, in a number of situations. Carry it all day. Ask yourself if it is comfortable to hold and operate. If you have to make accommodations to shoot with it, it's the wrong camera for you. Sure you spend a little money on rentals but it's better than spending a lot on something that's just not right for you. That's how I chose my first nice camera and I've been happy with every purchase since. Oh by the way, good luck.

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Jun 5, 2023 10:04:45   #
wetreed
 
You should consider the Nikon D500 and a Tamron 18-400 lens. It will solve all your problems and will be the only set up you will need.

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Jun 5, 2023 10:36:15   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
See_the_shot wrote:
My Olympus OM5 II with the 12-100 lens has been to Europe three times with me and all over the US. The combination never lets me down.



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Jun 5, 2023 10:46:00   #
neillaubenthal
 
Since small is the key feature you’re looking for…the Olympus is a nice fit there…just make sure that you are aware of and OK with the limitations of the smaller sensor in both MP and noise. Today’s NR software is pretty good and for any screen output the sensor is fine…for prints there will be a smaller max acceptable size print than a DX or FX sensor…but I don’t print so can tell you what that size is. I would go with the 2 zoom combo though…12-200 is such a zoom range that optically it isn’t going to be as good as the pair of zooms… ut then there’s a heavier kit and lens changes, but that’s what I would go with. Alternatively…and I haven’t compared size and weight…stepping up to the Nikon Z50 2 lens kit or whatever Sony or Canon gear it competes with gives you a bigger sensor with the gains that provides and it will easily fit in a waist pack…that’s what my wife carries.

And…in todays tech environment…essentially the DSLR is end of life tech and likely will see few to no real improvements going forward…they still take great images of course and are all most really need…but to some extent you’re buying outdated tech compared to mirrorless. The latter have some advantages due to the lack of a mirror…EVF and frame rates and such…but most of the improvement in mirrorless is because of newer and better sensors, processors, and algorithms…mirrorless just happened at the same time and added additional benefits. I won’t say don’t buy a DSLR in 2023…just make sure you know what you are not going to get and that you’re ok with that choice. The suggestion to pixk a couple candidates and rent them for a trip to see what feels good is spot on…I don’t like the way some brands fit in my hand and don’t like the way some brands menus work but a lot of the latter is because 8 use another brand rather than a fault…if I used a different brand then I would naturally prefer their menu system…but ergonomic differences may or may not be a big deal for you.

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Jun 5, 2023 10:53:51   #
rcarol
 
Mcobean wrote:
Hello All

I have just returned from a trip around the world and took about 12,000 photos with the Sony DSC-RX10 IV.

My next trip is in July to Iceland, Greenland, Norway, UK and I think it is time for an upgrade.

While the Sony is a great camera I found myself wishing for the features that some of the other travelers had in newer cameras. Specifically better connectivity, Newer/bigger sensor, improved autofocus/eye detection, Built In ND Filter, Live Composite Mode, Focus Bracketing, Focus Stacking, better IBIS and frankly better better IQ a lot of the time.

I typically do handheld bird, wildlife, landscape and street photography, really no portraits or indoor. iPhone seems to take care of indoor pretty well anyhow. I really want as small a rig as possible.

So a ton of research has gotten me to the OM System OM-1, it appears to check all my boxes.

I am thinking about the 12-200 Lens as it seems to be a great choice for travel. I am also considering as an alternative the 12 - 100 Pro with the 75-300 for more reach. But then there are lens changes in the field.

My DW has given me a 5k budget for this

My main question is am I going to see a large improvement in IQ with the OM-1?

Other Thoughts? Other alternatives?

If you had 5k to buy a kit that you would take way up north, what would you buy?

A couple of my favorites from the trip attached

Thanks in advance!

Cheers
Daryl
Hello All br br I have just returned from a trip ... (show quote)


The 75-300mm is a good lens but does tend to be soft beyond 250mm.

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Jun 5, 2023 11:58:27   #
NCMtnMan Loc: N. Fork New River, Ashe Co., NC
 
Have you looked at the offerings from Panasonic?

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Jun 5, 2023 12:22:51   #
gwilliams6
 
Mcobean wrote:
Hello All

I have just returned from a trip around the world and took about 12,000 photos with the Sony DSC-RX10 IV.

My next trip is in July to Iceland, Greenland, Norway, UK and I think it is time for an upgrade.

While the Sony is a great camera I found myself wishing for the features that some of the other travelers had in newer cameras. Specifically better connectivity, Newer/bigger sensor, improved autofocus/eye detection, Built In ND Filter, Live Composite Mode, Focus Bracketing, Focus Stacking, better IBIS and frankly better better IQ a lot of the time.

I typically do handheld bird, wildlife, landscape and street photography, really no portraits or indoor. iPhone seems to take care of indoor pretty well anyhow. I really want as small a rig as possible.

So a ton of research has gotten me to the OM System OM-1, it appears to check all my boxes.

I am thinking about the 12-200 Lens as it seems to be a great choice for travel. I am also considering as an alternative the 12 - 100 Pro with the 75-300 for more reach. But then there are lens changes in the field.

My DW has given me a 5k budget for this

My main question is am I going to see a large improvement in IQ with the OM-1?

Other Thoughts? Other alternatives?

If you had 5k to buy a kit that you would take way up north, what would you buy?

A couple of my favorites from the trip attached

Thanks in advance!

Cheers
Daryl
Hello All br br I have just returned from a trip ... (show quote)


If going smaller is very important for you, then Yes go OM-1 system and micro 4/3rds over the 1 inch sensor in your Sony RX10 IV. You will lose the advantages of that stacked sensor in the SonyRX10 Iv, but that might not matter that much to you.

Larger sensors do generally have advantages in low light capabilities, and shallower depth of field when you want that effect.

The OM-1 system is well thought out and offers an excellent selection of lenses.

I personally have shot with mirrorless micro 4/3rds, APS-C and fullframe cameras . And for my professional and personal work I prefer fullframe mirrorless. I wont go into all the reasons but simply I love ultimate image quality, resolution and detail.

But I will not try to persuade you to go fullframe, as that would be much heavier and bigger than either your current Sony RX10 IV or an OM-1 micro 4/3rds system.

I think for you the OM-1 system is a better fit that ANY brand APS-C or fullframe system.

Cheers and best to you.



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Jun 5, 2023 12:32:37   #
moonhawk Loc: Land of Enchantment
 
OM-1 has a stacked sensor, too.

gwilliams6 wrote:
If going smaller is very important for you, then Yes go OM-1 system and micro 4/3rds over the 1 inch sensor in your Sony RX10 IV. You will lose the advantages of that stacked sensor in the SonyRX10 Iv, but that might not matter that much to you.

Larger sensors do generally have advantages in low light capabilities, and shallower depth of field when you want that effect.

The OM-1 system is well thought out and offers an excellent selection of lenses.

I personally have shot with mirrorless micro 4/3rds, APS-C and fullframe cameras . And for my professional and personal work I prefer fullframe mirrorless. I wont go into all the reasons but simply I love ultimate image quality, resolution and detail.

But I will not try to persuade you to go fullframe, as that would be much heavier and bigger than either your current Sony RX10 IV or an OM-1 micro 4/3rds system.

I think for you the OM-1 system is a better fit that ANY brand APS-C or fullframe system.

Cheers and best to you.
If going smaller is very important for you, then Y... (show quote)

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Jun 5, 2023 13:15:02   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
Seems to me that you are comparing 2 cameras of about 20 MP each. Given adequate light the detail of each should be similar. So the question is what does M4/3 give you over 1".

No one has mentioned eye tracking, focus stacking, or any of the latest techy features you indicated was the reason for your discontent.

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Jun 5, 2023 15:16:58   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Mcobean wrote:
Hello All

I have just returned from a trip around the world and took about 12,000 photos with the Sony DSC-RX10 IV.

My next trip is in July to Iceland, Greenland, Norway, UK and I think it is time for an upgrade.

While the Sony is a great camera I found myself wishing for the features that some of the other travelers had in newer cameras. Specifically better connectivity, Newer/bigger sensor, improved autofocus/eye detection, Built In ND Filter, Live Composite Mode, Focus Bracketing, Focus Stacking, better IBIS and frankly better better IQ a lot of the time.

I typically do handheld bird, wildlife, landscape and street photography, really no portraits or indoor. iPhone seems to take care of indoor pretty well anyhow. I really want as small a rig as possible.

So a ton of research has gotten me to the OM System OM-1, it appears to check all my boxes.

I am thinking about the 12-200 Lens as it seems to be a great choice for travel. I am also considering as an alternative the 12 - 100 Pro with the 75-300 for more reach. But then there are lens changes in the field.

My DW has given me a 5k budget for this

My main question is am I going to see a large improvement in IQ with the OM-1?

Other Thoughts? Other alternatives?

If you had 5k to buy a kit that you would take way up north, what would you buy?

A couple of my favorites from the trip attached

Thanks in advance!

Cheers
Daryl
Hello All br br I have just returned from a trip ... (show quote)


As someone that shoots both the RX10MIV and the OM-1 I can say there’s a definitive difference. I use the Sony as my kayak camera, mainly because it gives me a 24-600mm equivalent range in a package I can handle easily in a kayak. I’ve also used my OM-1 with the 40-150 f/2.8 Pro lens and 2x TC in a kayak and it was also easy to handle and got me to the 600mm equivalent but it was tough for closer shots being at 160mm on the short end. That being said, while I’m generally happy with the Sony shots I am limited towards dusk and dawn by the ISO on that 1” sensor. I also find tho Olympus raw files easier to deal with in post. I don’t have the 12-100 but I’ve heard good things about it. And I’m sure the 12-200 is a fine lens but not in the league of the pro lenses. On my hiking trip to Scotland last year I almost exclusively used the 12-40 and it was fine. The one day our hike was along the shores of Loch Leven I switched to the longer setup because if the potential for wildlife, which ended up being a lone grey heron and a multitude of sheep. I also don’t worry about changing lenses in the field. I’ve had the camera since the initial release and never needed to even blow off the sensor. I am careful about pointing it down when changing but it has the best auto sensor cleaning there is. And I also love the “computational photography” features. I’ve used both Live ND and Live Composite fairly often. And Pro Capture is a game changer for wildlife or action.
I’ve included some shots using those features.

Live ND - Ricketts Glen
Live ND - Ricketts Glen...
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Live ND - Ricketts Glen
Live ND - Ricketts Glen...
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Live ND - Ricketts Glen
Live ND - Ricketts Glen...
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Live Composite - The Squinty Bridge - Glasgow
Live Composite - The Squinty Bridge - Glasgow...
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Live Composite - The OVO Hydro - Glasgow
Live Composite - The OVO Hydro - Glasgow...
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Live Composite - The OVO Hydro - Glasgow
Live Composite - The OVO Hydro - Glasgow...
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Live Composite - Broad Street in Philly
Live Composite - Broad Street in Philly...
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Jun 5, 2023 15:20:09   #
neillaubenthal
 
rcarol wrote:
The 75-300mm is a good lens but does tend to be soft beyond 250mm.


Still though…that gives good coverage out to 500mm field of view which for a small/light rig is pretty nice. I don't have a M4/3 rig, but am guessing that the current noise reduction and sharpening software will help with the softness a bit. I'm not really interested in another system though…for casual walking around an iPhone or current Android phone is a pretty good camera on its own as long as longer reach isn't needed. And for my bride and I the next step up would be either the Z50 2 lens kit or my Z7II and a short to mid range zoom for walking around before going up to the big boys.

To be fair…I just checked the size and weight of the OM-1, Z50, and Z7II…the 3 bodies are pretty comparable in size and weight. So…depending on what OPs needs are, going to either DX or FX isn't that much of a weight penalty over the M4/3.

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Jun 5, 2023 15:23:09   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
imagemeister wrote:
Firstly, beating the overall quality/versatility of the RX10 - especially the LENS - is a fools errand - at least for NOW ! . IMO, you would be further ahead by investing in and learning some AI softwares for improved PP of the RX10 output. Sadly, the camera you seek does not yet exist ! - a M4/3 with a ZEISS 12-300 f3.3-5 - which I estimate could be done for $2400 ! - and, of course it would be larger/heavier than RX10 - But, an RX10mV is being rumored ! - after all, it is 6 years old now. 8-)
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I have the RX10MIV and the OM-1 and the OM-1 beats the Sony hands down.

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Jun 5, 2023 15:24:36   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
wetreed wrote:
You should consider the Nikon D500 and a Tamron 18-400 lens. It will solve all your problems and will be the only set up you will need.


You should probably just stay under that rock you crawled out from.

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Jun 5, 2023 15:27:35   #
neillaubenthal
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
You should probably just stay under that rock you crawled out from.


There's no reason to be a jerk…much better to play nice.

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