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Jun 5, 2023 15:28:49   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
NCMtnMan wrote:
Have you looked at the offerings from Panasonic?


As someone that switched from Panasonic to Olympus I will say the G9 is a great camera if focus speed doesn’t matter. Until they put PDAF in their M4/3 cameras they can’t compete with Olympus, plus Olympus has much better features.

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Jun 5, 2023 15:32:27   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
If going smaller is very important for you, then Yes go OM-1 system and micro 4/3rds over the 1 inch sensor in your Sony RX10 IV. You will lose the advantages of that stacked sensor in the SonyRX10 Iv, but that might not matter that much to you.

Larger sensors do generally have advantages in low light capabilities, and shallower depth of field when you want that effect.

The OM-1 system is well thought out and offers an excellent selection of lenses.

I personally have shot with mirrorless micro 4/3rds, APS-C and fullframe cameras . And for my professional and personal work I prefer fullframe mirrorless. I wont go into all the reasons but simply I love ultimate image quality, resolution and detail.

But I will not try to persuade you to go fullframe, as that would be much heavier and bigger than either your current Sony RX10 IV or an OM-1 micro 4/3rds system.

I think for you the OM-1 system is a better fit that ANY brand APS-C or fullframe system.

Cheers and best to you.
If going smaller is very important for you, then Y... (show quote)


Actually the OM-1 also has a stacked sensor. And it handles high ISO’s much better than the Sony. That’s how I can get 50fps with full AF tracking.

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Jun 5, 2023 15:48:22   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Mcobean wrote:
Hello All

I have just returned from a trip around the world and took about 12,000 photos with the Sony DSC-RX10 IV.

My next trip is in July to Iceland, Greenland, Norway, UK and I think it is time for an upgrade.

While the Sony is a great camera I found myself wishing for the features that some of the other travelers had in newer cameras. Specifically better connectivity, Newer/bigger sensor, improved autofocus/eye detection, Built In ND Filter, Live Composite Mode, Focus Bracketing, Focus Stacking, better IBIS and frankly better better IQ a lot of the time.

I typically do handheld bird, wildlife, landscape and street photography, really no portraits or indoor. iPhone seems to take care of indoor pretty well anyhow. I really want as small a rig as possible.

So a ton of research has gotten me to the OM System OM-1, it appears to check all my boxes.

I am thinking about the 12-200 Lens as it seems to be a great choice for travel. I am also considering as an alternative the 12 - 100 Pro with the 75-300 for more reach. But then there are lens changes in the field.

My DW has given me a 5k budget for this

My main question is am I going to see a large improvement in IQ with the OM-1?

Other Thoughts? Other alternatives?

If you had 5k to buy a kit that you would take way up north, what would you buy?

A couple of my favorites from the trip attached

Thanks in advance!

Cheers
Daryl
Hello All br br I have just returned from a trip ... (show quote)


Reading in more detail, since you shoot wildlife I might go with this setup, (current sale prices)

OM-1 body $1999.99
12-100 f/4 Pro lens $1199.99
100-400 f/5-6.3 lens. $1299.99

So at around $4500 it’ll leave you plenty for extra batteries and stuff. (Although I would try to squeeze a little more out of her and get the body with the 12-40 f/2.8 Pro lens at $2599.99, just for a nice faster lens option).

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Jun 5, 2023 15:54:04   #
healeydriver Loc: Rockwood, TN
 
I was north of Svalbard on a ship when I saw some professionals getting better pictures than I with a much smaller rig. I was using full frame Canon, they were using Olympus. I've since sold all my (expensive) Canon gear and converted completely to Olympus. I've got the EM-1.3 and the OM Systems OM-1. I've also the BWL, the 300mm f4, the 12-100, the 1.4x and 2.0x extenders, and assorted other lenses that aren't relevant to your question and style of photography. I've had the Panasonic 100-400mm but I got rid of it (too soft) and I know from other people's experience that the Olympus 100-400 is better than the Panasonic, but it too suffers at long ranges. Based on my experience, you might consider a used EM-1.3 if you want to keep total costs down. There are quite a few of them out there (mine included shortly) for sale because people (like me) have moved up to the OM-1. I love the OM-1...especially for BIF. The AI subject detection is fabulous for birds, and when you use any Oly lightweight lens you can slew the camera rig around hand held for very fast action....particularly when shooting from ships. My recommendation is get used stuff to keep inside your budget. But, get the OM-1 if you can afford it after getting the 300 f4 and the 12-100 PRO. Add the 1.4x for some extension on the 300, but don't go for the 2.0x. The 12-100 will be on your camera all the time (except when you are doing wildlife/birds). You'll really like the OM-1 performance (if you can get it inside your budget)...but the EM-1.3 is pretty darned good too. No question you definitely want the 12-100 and 300f4. Don't skimp on the glass. You'll definitely be able to see an IQ degradation if you choose something else....Other lenses are good (don't misunderstand me), but these two are noteworthy. I know that lots of people demand zoom at long ranges, I like it too (that is why I have the BWL), but that is out of your price range and the 300 f4 is going to stretch your budget as it is....but you said you pay close attention to IQ. Therefore I'd suggest you definitely get the 300 f4. It (with the 1.4x on occasion) will keep you satisfied. Later, when the boss gives you permission, go for the BWL....but you'll need to be very very good to the boss... LOL.

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Jun 5, 2023 16:29:22   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
neillaubenthal wrote:
There's no reason to be a jerk…much better to play nice.


Maybe, but it was a ridiculous suggestion that totally ignored what the OP is looking for.

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Jun 5, 2023 16:38:28   #
joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
As someone that shoots both the RX10MIV and the OM-1 I can say there’s a definitive difference. I use the Sony as my kayak camera, mainly because it gives me a 24-600mm equivalent range in a package I can handle easily in a kayak. I’ve also used my OM-1 with the 40-150 f/2.8 Pro lens and 2x TC in a kayak and it was also easy to handle and got me to the 600mm equivalent but it was tough for closer shots being at 160mm on the short end. That being said, while I’m generally happy with the Sony shots I am limited towards dusk and dawn by the ISO on that 1” sensor. I also find tho Olympus raw files easier to deal with in post. I don’t have the 12-100 but I’ve heard good things about it. And I’m sure the 12-200 is a fine lens but not in the league of the pro lenses. On my hiking trip to Scotland last year I almost exclusively used the 12-40 and it was fine. The one day our hike was along the shores of Loch Leven I switched to the longer setup because if the potential for wildlife, which ended up being a lone grey heron and a multitude of sheep. I also don’t worry about changing lenses in the field. I’ve had the camera since the initial release and never needed to even blow off the sensor. I am careful about pointing it down when changing but it has the best auto sensor cleaning there is. And I also love the “computational photography” features. I’ve used both Live ND and Live Composite fairly often. And Pro Capture is a game changer for wildlife or action.
I’ve included some shots using those features.
As someone that shoots both the RX10MIV and the OM... (show quote)


Phenomenal, superlative shots 💜🧡💚💛❤️💙

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Jun 5, 2023 16:56:55   #
moonhawk Loc: Land of Enchantment
 
BWL=Big White Lens?

healeydriver wrote:
I was north of Svalbard on a ship when I saw some professionals getting better pictures than I with a much smaller rig. I was using full frame Canon, they were using Olympus. I've since sold all my (expensive) Canon gear and converted completely to Olympus. I've got the EM-1.3 and the OM Systems OM-1. I've also the BWL, the 300mm f4, the 12-100, the 1.4x and 2.0x extenders, and assorted other lenses that aren't relevant to your question and style of photography. I've had the Panasonic 100-400mm but I got rid of it (too soft) and I know from other people's experience that the Olympus 100-400 is better than the Panasonic, but it too suffers at long ranges. Based on my experience, you might consider a used EM-1.3 if you want to keep total costs down. There are quite a few of them out there (mine included shortly) for sale because people (like me) have moved up to the OM-1. I love the OM-1...especially for BIF. The AI subject detection is fabulous for birds, and when you use any Oly lightweight lens you can slew the camera rig around hand held for very fast action....particularly when shooting from ships. My recommendation is get used stuff to keep inside your budget. But, get the OM-1 if you can afford it after getting the 300 f4 and the 12-100 PRO. Add the 1.4x for some extension on the 300, but don't go for the 2.0x. The 12-100 will be on your camera all the time (except when you are doing wildlife/birds). You'll really like the OM-1 performance (if you can get it inside your budget)...but the EM-1.3 is pretty darned good too. No question you definitely want the 12-100 and 300f4. Don't skimp on the glass. You'll definitely be able to see an IQ degradation if you choose something else....Other lenses are good (don't misunderstand me), but these two are noteworthy. I know that lots of people demand zoom at long ranges, I like it too (that is why I have the BWL), but that is out of your price range and the 300 f4 is going to stretch your budget as it is....but you said you pay close attention to IQ. Therefore I'd suggest you definitely get the 300 f4. It (with the 1.4x on occasion) will keep you satisfied. Later, when the boss gives you permission, go for the BWL....but you'll need to be very very good to the boss... LOL.
I was north of Svalbard on a ship when I saw some ... (show quote)

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Jun 5, 2023 17:15:10   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Mcobean wrote:
Hello All

I have just returned from a trip around the world and took about 12,000 photos with the Sony DSC-RX10 IV.

My next trip is in July to Iceland, Greenland, Norway, UK and I think it is time for an upgrade.

While the Sony is a great camera I found myself wishing for the features that some of the other travelers had in newer cameras. Specifically better connectivity, Newer/bigger sensor, improved autofocus/eye detection, Built In ND Filter, Live Composite Mode, Focus Bracketing, Focus Stacking, better IBIS and frankly better better IQ a lot of the time.

I typically do handheld bird, wildlife, landscape and street photography, really no portraits or indoor. iPhone seems to take care of indoor pretty well anyhow. I really want as small a rig as possible.

So a ton of research has gotten me to the OM System OM-1, it appears to check all my boxes.

I am thinking about the 12-200 Lens as it seems to be a great choice for travel. I am also considering as an alternative the 12 - 100 Pro with the 75-300 for more reach. But then there are lens changes in the field.

My DW has given me a 5k budget for this

My main question is am I going to see a large improvement in IQ with the OM-1?

Other Thoughts? Other alternatives?

If you had 5k to buy a kit that you would take way up north, what would you buy?

A couple of my favorites from the trip attached

Thanks in advance!

Cheers
Daryl
Hello All br br I have just returned from a trip ... (show quote)


Sounds like as you said the OM-1 ticks all your boxes.
Great camera.

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Jun 5, 2023 17:37:58   #
gwilliams6
 
moonhawk wrote:
OM-1 has a stacked sensor, too.


Yes the OM-1 has a Sony-made 20mp stacked sensor, but the stacked sensor in the Sony RX10 IV has a top shutter speed of 1/32,000 sec, and can do an amazing 960fps super-slow-motion video capture. The OM-1 has a top shutter speed of 1/8000 sec, and has a top video frame rate of 60fps.

There is a difference.

I love that my Sony A9 and A1 also have a 1/32,000 second shutter speed. That allows me to shoot in bright daylight and still use a wide aperture to get that shallow depth-of-field look, without needing to use a ND filter.

Here a couple shots of Environmental Scientist Brooke. H., in bright sun in Scottsdale, Arizona, USA. Sony A9, 1/32000 sec shutter speed, Sony 135mm f1.8 lens, at f1.8, ISO 100.

Cheers and best to you


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Jun 5, 2023 17:53:04   #
moonhawk Loc: Land of Enchantment
 
According to the OM1 in my lap, it goes down to i/32000 also. Don't know about video--don't use it. Take care.

gwilliams6 wrote:
Yes the OM-1 has a Sony-made 20mp stacked sensor, but the stacked sensor in the Sony RX10 IV has a top shutter speed of 1/32,000 sec, and can do an amazing 960fps super-slow-motion video capture. The OM-1 has a top shutter speed of 1/8000 sec, and has a top video frame rate of 60fps.

There is a difference.

I love that my Sony A9 and A1 also have a 1/32,000 second shutter speed. That allows me to shoot in bright daylight and still use a wide aperture to get that shallow depth-of-field look, without needing to use a ND filter.

Here a shot of friend Brooke. H., in bright sun in Scottsdale, Arizona, USA. Sony A9, 1/32000 sec shutter speed, Sony 135mm f1.8 lens, at f1.8.

Cheers and best to you
Yes the OM-1 has a Sony-made 20mp stacked sensor,... (show quote)

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Jun 5, 2023 18:04:29   #
gwilliams6
 
moonhawk wrote:
According to the OM1 in my lap, it goes down to i/32000 also. Don't know about video--don't use it. Take care.


Ok this makes senses in electronic shutter, I was just reading specs off a OM-1 spec sheet. They only had the mechanical shutter speeds listed, my bad, LOL.

It will be impossible to get that fullframe shallow depth of field on a Sony 1" sensor RX10 IV, or ANY micro 4/3rds sensor camera, just physics of that sensor size.

Many shooters today want the best of hybrid shooting, and do both stills and video in the same camera. Your needs may vary.

Hey I still think the OM-1 system is the best choice for the OP, as size and weight were a key factor for him. Every format has its advantages and disadvantages. Use what format and system works best for your needs and be happy.

Cheers and best to you.

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Jun 5, 2023 18:06:35   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
Maybe, but it was a ridiculous suggestion that totally ignored what the OP is looking for.


Just as some of the M4/3 solutions ignore what the OP is looking for ....300 f4 prime - REALLY ?? in addition to multiple soft/slow zooms ?? ......the OP want to be a happy world TRAVELER without lugging heavy multiple lenses

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Jun 5, 2023 18:14:16   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
Yes the OM-1 has a Sony-made 20mp stacked sensor, but the stacked sensor in the Sony RX10 IV has a top shutter speed of 1/32,000 sec, and can do an amazing 960fps super-slow-motion video capture. The OM-1 has a top shutter speed of 1/8000 sec, and has a top video frame rate of 60fps.

There is a difference.

I love that my Sony A9 and A1 also have a 1/32,000 second shutter speed. That allows me to shoot in bright daylight and still use a wide aperture to get that shallow depth-of-field look, without needing to use a ND filter.

Here a couple shots of Environmental Scientist Brooke. H., in bright sun in Scottsdale, Arizona, USA. Sony A9, 1/32000 sec shutter speed, Sony 135mm f1.8 lens, at f1.8, ISO 100.

Cheers and best to you
Yes the OM-1 has a Sony-made 20mp stacked sensor,... (show quote)


What do FF cameras and prime lenses have to do with what the OP wants ??
.

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Jun 5, 2023 18:20:49   #
gwilliams6
 
imagemeister wrote:
What do FF cameras and prime lenses have to do with what the OP wants ??
.


Just discussing shutter speeds of the OM-1 that the OP wants, and the shutter speeds of the Sony RX10 IV they have, and showing examples of what a 1/32000 sec shutter speed can give you in ANY format.

You can choose to ignore any posts from me and just move on. But we all know some UHHers love snarky comments, LOL, LOL

If you read any one of my comments, you would know I do think the OM-1 system is the best choice for the OP for its size and weight, and quality. And there are some excellent quality fast prime lenses in that system.

https://explore.omsystem.com/us/en/lenses?s_kwcid=AL!12609!3!645964443255!b!!g!!olympus%20camera%20lenses&gclid=Cj0KCQjwj_ajBhCqARIsAA37s0w5fpseg2nE8m69vJZrUTS89EUn7XpdtR9ei-SYuywtVwM4n4tSwXAaAnCZEALw_wcB

Cheers and best to you.

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Jun 5, 2023 19:15:18   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
imagemeister wrote:
What do FF cameras and prime lenses have to do with what the OP wants ??
.


Nothing.

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