Bill_de Loc: US

D750 has an optical viewfinder.
Z8 and Z9 have that little tv screen for a viewfinder.

I don't need any battery to shoot all day long with my Nikon FM2.

Perspective!




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gwilliams6

All OFFICIAL CIPA battery shot counts are way below what is the actual in-use numbers of shot you can expect to get. You can usually get many times the listed count, but the manufacturers are bound to report the rated CIPA numbers.

Cheers

RightOnPhotography Loc: Quebec,QC

And I prefer cheeseburgers, but what does it have to do with the subject of this post?

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

Have you tested this statistic with this camera, or any modern MILC? Is that 275 using the EVF via the LCD for composition? How long is the LCD "monitor" set for display of the image for review?

I'm unsure why the camera manufacturers are being forced to report these statistics, these worst-case / worst-configuration statistics, when any competent MILC-user will seek configurations and usage set-ups that maximize the battery live. I can easily fill a 32GB card with 1000+ RAW files on a now ancient Sony a7II before I exhaust a single battery on this battery-life challenged model.

gwilliams6

One of my best pro friends is Cliff Mautner, a Nikon Ambassador and one of USA's top-rated Wedding and Portrait shooters.
https://www.cmphotography.com/

He shoots with Z9 now. I asked him yesterday if he was going to get the Z8. He told me that for the weight savings alone, while still having that same Z9 sensor ,he will likely get it immediately on first release. Nikon will make sure he gets one of the first ones.

Cliff also has some great videos done for Nikon on youtube:
https://www.cmphotography.com/for-photographers/videos/nikon-behind-scenes-1

Cheers and best to you.

gwilliams6

These are the CIPA battery ratings and all the manufacturers have agreed to post these CIPA battery ratings, but you will always get way more shots per battery than the CIPA ratings, everyone should know that by now. CIPA also does the tallying of all camera sales and more, and all the makers are members of CIPA, the Camera & Imaging Products Association.

https://versus.com/en/glossary/battery-cipa#:~:text=To%20gauge%20the%20CIPA%20battery,a%20single%20charge%20will%20vary.

"To gauge the CIPA battery life of a camera, the organization uses it to take photos every 30 seconds. They leave the camera on between every image, turn it off after every ten shots, and repeat it. As this is not how people use digital cameras, the actual battery life you'll get from a single charge will greatly vary."

Cheers and best to you all.

btbg

That is the single biggest drawback between mirrorless and dslr. The mirrorless cameras get way less battery life. If you shoot fewer than 200 photos in a day it makes absolutely no difference. If you shoot five or six hundred in an hour it does.

The previous posters are correct that you can get an optional battery grip and improve the number of shots you can get with the smaller Nikon cameras, but I prefer the larger camera body. I did not even consider changing to mirrorless until the Z9 came out because the other mirrorless cameras I tested were too little.

The good news with the Z9 is it has much more batter life than their rating says it has. I can get from 2,000 to 3,200 photos on a battery charge depending on the situation I am shooting in. It goes down if you are shooting long exposures.

gwilliams6

The reality is all mirrorless get better battery life than their CIPA ratings, ALL.

And most modern mirrorless have much better battery life now with larger batteries than the first mirrorless used to have. Battery life is just no longer an issue to keep you from mirrorless cameras, that is just the new reality. If you do better research you will know the current facts, not out-of-date old bias.

And I can shoot over a thousand shots in a day on a single battery with the larger battery in my Sony cameras, and that is even without using the optional and detachable dual-battery grips. Modern Nikon and Canon mirrorless also get very good battery life nowadays with bigger, longer lasting batteries.

You can choose to stick with your DSLRs for a number of personal reasons if you like, but dont make your decision based solely on battery life nowadays. That would be a misinformed and short-sided mistake IMHO.

Cheers and best to you.

btbg

You really need to try reading with comprehension. I have a Z9. I chose not to switch from DSLRs until the Z9 came out because of battery life plus the Sony mirrorless cameras are too small. As to over a 1,000 shots a day, my D5 would go over 5,000. Like it or not the mirrorless batterry life is not as good as the battery life was in an equivalent DSLR. You may find over a 1,000 shots on one battery charge to be fine, but that just won't work for sports photography. 1,000 shots is not even an entire baseball game.

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

A thousand shots (or less) on a modern mirrorless camera is just the latest impossible-to-kill urban myth of photography, passed around on UHH as Internet Gospel, just like the impact of filters, the impact of VR / IS, and the evil intentions of Adobe...

btbg

How is it an ur an myth. Gilliam just stated that he could get up to 1000 shots with his Sony and all of the current mirrorless cameras are rated for fewer than a 1000 shots. Are you honestly trying to climb that a z9 will get as many shots on a single charge as a D5?

The battery life is better than the companies list on their specs but not even close to what their dslrs did. My D5 will get approximately 2000 more shots on a single charge than my Z9 even though my Z9 gets at least 3 times the number of shots that their specs claim.

I wasn't even knocking the battery life on mirrorless camers. I just stated that it is not as good as on the equivalent dslr which is a fact.

rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania

I've been a fan of Mazda RX7's for years; zoom, zoom...

rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania

Uh, it's a camera, not a burger. Funny how no one asked why I prefer a Canon over a Nikon. I do own both Canon and Nikon gear. I prefer the Canon R series cameras to Nikon Z series cameras because I own several Canon RF lenses and numerous EF lenses and a couple EF to RF adapters. I don't own any Z lenses or adapters.

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

Netflix? HBO?

gwilliams6

You are talking to a award-winning longtime photojournalist that has shot all Pro Sports for over five decades using all the best pro SLRs, DSLRs and Mirrorless cameras, with my Pictures of the Year, and World Press Photos Awards in Sports as well as other photo categories to show for it, along with being published in top newspapers, top magazines, books, online, etc, around the world.

And as also a longtime Professor of Photography at a state university with my Master's Degree in Digital Photography, I have to know the physics and the reality of the tech and all its advantages and limitations, and pass that on to my hundreds of photo students who use both DSLR and mirrorless gear .

You are preaching to the crowd, but know that when I said 1000 shots on a battery, that was conservative, as any pro using mirrorless will tell you we often get many more shots, as you know with your Z9.

There are so many advantages of mirrorless over DSLR that the difference in battery is no longer a deciding factor for pros moving to mirrorless.

FYI, all the top News Services in the world have moved from their Nikon and Canon DSLRs to fullframe mirrorless gear for ALL their staff still photographers and staff videographers Worldwide and they aren't lamenting or worrying about their battery capacity.

Associated Press, UK Press, Canadian Press, all Gannett media including USA Today have all moved exclusively to Sony fullframe mirrorless for all their staff still photographers and staff videographers worldwide in the past two years. AFP (Agence France Presse) helped develop and test the Z9, and their staffers use the Z9 worldwide.

https://alphauniverse.com/stories/why-the-associated-press-just-switched-to-sony/

https://petapixel.com/2021/11/17/sony-is-now-the-exclusive-camera-provider-for-gannett-and-usa-today/

https://www.dpreview.com/news/4545693607/the-uk-largest-news-agency-partners-with-sony

https://petapixel.com/2022/01/31/canadas-largest-news-organization-moves-exclusively-to-sony-cameras/#:~:text=Canada's%20Largest%20News%20Agency%20Moves%20Exclusively%20to%20Sony%20Cameras,-Jan%2031%2C%202022&text=The%20Canadian%20Press%2C%20the%20largest,provider%20for%20the%20media%20company.

https://petapixel.com/2022/06/09/how-pro-photographers-helped-make-the-z9-from-prototype-to-flagship/


Of course mirrorless use more power, with EVFs, faster reading high MP stacked sensors, fast processors for fast fps stills, and high resolution and fast frame-rate video, incredible fast AF and AI Tracking and more. Battery power just isn't the deal-breaker vs DLSRs that it was when mirrorless first appeared, and that is just the new reality.

Cheers and best to you.