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A Warning to Canon, from Canon R3 user Jared Polin. After actually watching it all, what are your comments ?
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Jan 21, 2023 18:36:57   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
I watched the video a few minutes after Jared posted it and I agree with him. I also agree with Canon.
Canon will eventually authorize manufacturer like Sigma and Tamron to make RF mount lenses. What Canon is trying to prevent is the Chinese companies from stealing technology developed by Canon and marketing lower cost knockoffs that don't meet Canon standards, and cut into the income Canon needs to pay for their investment into developing the new lenses.
From what I've read and from my own personal experience, EF lenses with an adapter work really well. In many cases just as well as the newer RF lenses. I have two RF cameras, an R5 and R7. I have 1 RF lens, the R7 kit lens, which I don't use very often. I have a large, or large enough, collection of EF glass, most of which have that sexy crimson band.
I've read that many folks don't like to use an adapter, for what ever reason. I've had ZERO issues with the adapted lenses and the adapter adds very little weight and only half an inch in length.
There is a massive amount of EF glass available at really decent prices. Instead of worrying about the availably of aftermarket knockoffs, get an adapter and use good EF glass.
I watched the video a few minutes after Jared post... (show quote)


I totally agree with you on the adapter comment.
The control ring one is amazing and I use it a lot in aperture priority and manual.
No difficulty having it on the camera.
As you said, the Canon DSLR lenses work fully as well or better on the R bodies.

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Jan 21, 2023 18:43:01   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
MDI Mainer wrote:
I believe, though, that Sony is also the market leader in the US and Canada, especially for full-frame models.

https://petapixel.com/2022/02/16/sony-sold-more-mirrorless-cameras-than-anyone-else-in-2021/

Additionally I suspect the "world-wide" ranking includes DSLR and attached-lens models, as well as mirrorless interchangeable lens bodies.


What about 2022?

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Jan 21, 2023 18:52:02   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Bill_de wrote:
What about 2022?

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Same as 2021.
And Nikon a distant 3rd or 4th .

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Jan 21, 2023 18:58:39   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Same as 2021.
And Nikon a distant 3rd or 4th .


Thanks.

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Jan 21, 2023 22:04:27   #
MDI Mainer
 
Bill_de wrote:
What about 2022?

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Have you seen any reliable data for the year that ended less than a month ago?

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Jan 21, 2023 22:35:34   #
User ID
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Same as 2021.
And Nikon a distant 3rd or 4th .

But waaaaaaaaay ahead of Leica
... and Hasselblad.

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Jan 21, 2023 22:39:38   #
User ID
 
MDI Mainer wrote:
Have you seen any reliable data for the year that ended less than a month ago?

The *reliable* data for last month from top market researchers is:

Nobody knows, and may never know, but we will *reliably* cook you a report with any result you might prefer.

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Jan 21, 2023 22:45:48   #
MDI Mainer
 
User ID wrote:
The *reliable* data for last month from top market researchers is:

Nobody knows, and may never know, but we will *reliably* cook you a report with any result you might prefer.


When I was a trial attorney we had a saying, "You can find an expert witness who will say anything you want, so long as it won't get them laughed out of their field at the next major conference or convention."

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Jan 22, 2023 00:28:47   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
robertjerl wrote:
I believe Canon has goofed on the no third party RF lenses.
I am a retired teacher, with other sources of income but still, not rich, photography is a hobby, so I can't write off lenses as a business expense.

I have an R7 and 3 RF lenses, first was the 18-150 kit lens, then the 100-400 non L and after saving for several months I got the RF 100-500L + the RF 1.4x extender. But for most other lenses, I am using my EF mount lenses with the EF>RF adapter. Since making the switch to Canon (from Sigma RD10 & RD14 with 8 lenses) over ten years ago I now have: 6D, 7DII, 80D, 90D, 5DIV and R7. I have lenses in EF mounts by Canon, Tamron, Samyang and in the past I had a couple of Sigmas.
My bridge cameras have gone from Olympus C2030 to Fuji HS10 to Sony RX10iv. I got my wife a Canon SX50, then a T6s and 4 lenses (bought from someone who purchased them while on a European vacation to replace cameras that were stolen)
And I have an old Panasonic ZS6 I got from Costco when it was still a new model, and it has lived in the pocket of one of my jackets or shirts ever since. When I leave the house, it goes with me, no matter what else I may or may not take.
Somewhere north of $40K* on cameras and lenses + editing capable desktop and laptop computers since the 1990s. The great majority of that to Canon products.
But as I said, I am a retired teacher, my wife is a retired Surgical RN and even though I also have a second pension, VA disability, SS (wife has max SS + a 401k) and an outside source of income I am not going to be spending a lot of money on lenses since I have lenses that cover just about everything and they work. Maybe not as well as the latest and greatest RFs but they work and are already paid for.

The only thing I have a borderline case of GAS for is a mirrorless FF, but I don't need it as my 6D and 5DIV have full frame covered.

People like myself need the less expensive third party lenses to use with our Canon bodies. If we can't afford lenses, then we don't buy the bodies.

*I am a bit scared to dig through my records and add up all the cameras, lenses and photo related gear I have bought since the early 90's. I have a suspicion the off the top of my head number will come out too low.
It is a good thing I don't drink or do drugs or take cruises several times a year like one guy I know in the Senior Center Camera Club. That way I can afford my books (mostly e-books), photo gear, sewing stuff for my wife etc.
I believe Canon has goofed on the no third party R... (show quote)


How would you feel if you spent millions of dollars developing a technology and companies in a country that's not exactly aligned with the rest of the world start copying your technology and selling cheaper and in many cases inferior copies!?
When Canon is ready to license their technology to reputable companies like Sigma and Tamron, they will. Until then anyone who buys the unlicensed knockoffs is simply saying, stealing is ok.

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Jan 22, 2023 00:30:57   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
Architect1776 wrote:
I totally agree with you on the adapter comment.
The control ring one is amazing and I use it a lot in aperture priority and manual.
No difficulty having it on the camera.
As you said, the Canon DSLR lenses work fully as well or better on the R bodies.


I haven't gotten the control ring adapter yet, but I'm seriously considering one.

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Jan 22, 2023 02:45:22   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
How would you feel if you spent millions of dollars developing a technology and companies in a country that's not exactly aligned with the rest of the world start copying your technology and selling cheaper and in many cases inferior copies!?
When Canon is ready to license their technology to reputable companies like Sigma and Tamron, they will. Until then anyone who buys the unlicensed knockoffs is simply saying, stealing is ok.


Well to begin with, I don't buy the junk brands inferior lenses. Secondly for people like me being able to get RF mount Sigma and Tamron lenses would help me make up my mind about getting another R body, preferably full frame since I have the R7, three RF lenses and an EF>RF converter. The only brands I have ever bought for my Canon's are Canon, Sigma, Tamron and an all manual Samyang/Bower ultra-wide. I seldom do wide angle work, which rules out Canon's own premium lenses for me.
They can sell their premium lenses to pros who can deduct the price, rich hobbyists etc. But a retired teacher like myself can't just buy everything I want. If I can get good quality third party lenses like Sigma, Tamron and Samyang at lower prices than I can see my way to buying another R body.

Forgot one thing. With the EF>RF adapter, a photographer can use all those third part EF lenses that are all over the place, esp online sales.
So no third party lenses, OK, I spent $99 on the basic adapter and can now use all those inexpensive EF lenses if I so choose.

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Jan 22, 2023 05:33:31   #
John N Loc: HP14 3QF Stokenchurch, UK
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
If you don't want to use the best, well that's your decision. Everyone has the right to be wrong. Just leaves more for the rest of us, aka the majority of all digital photographers.


Doesn't help those who can't afford the best.

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Jan 22, 2023 05:55:20   #
junglejim1949 Loc: Sacramento,CA
 
Architect1776 wrote:
A premium off brand better than a kit Canon as Jared pointed out.
But premium to premium the third party always falls far short in all areas.


I agree 👍

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Jan 22, 2023 05:57:36   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
robertjerl wrote:
Well to begin with, I don't buy the junk brands inferior lenses. Secondly for people like me being able to get RF mount Sigma and Tamron lenses would help me make up my mind about getting another R body, preferably full frame since I have the R7, three RF lenses and an EF>RF converter. The only brands I have ever bought for my Canon's are Canon, Sigma, Tamron and an all manual Samyang/Bower ultra-wide. I seldom do wide angle work, which rules out Canon's own premium lenses for me.
They can sell their premium lenses to pros who can deduct the price, rich hobbyists etc. But a retired teacher like myself can't just buy everything I want. If I can get good quality third party lenses like Sigma, Tamron and Samyang at lower prices than I can see my way to buying another R body.

Forgot one thing. With the EF>RF adapter, a photographer can use all those third part EF lenses that are all over the place, esp online sales.
So no third party lenses, OK, I spent $99 on the basic adapter and can now use all those inexpensive EF lenses if I so choose.
Well to begin with, I don't buy the junk brands in... (show quote)


It reads like you are chastising me. I don't recall stating anything about you buying cheap lenses or anything else. I believe I stated somewhere I also use adapted EF lenses and only have 1 RF lens which I rarely use. I too am retired and I'm not a rich hobbyist. Most of my lenses are Canon lenses with a few Sigma lenses and 1 Tamron lens. I do have an R5 and I've never put an RF lens on it. My adapted EF lenses work just fine. I currently have only the basic adapter but will probably get the control ring one eventually.
By the way, you didn't answer my question.

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Jan 22, 2023 06:44:06   #
ELNikkor
 
Canon can do what they want, it's their stuff. I resist 3rd party, however good it might be, though I respect good equipment whoever makes it. ("Sigma on Nikon"? It just doesn't sound right.)

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