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A Warning to Canon, from Canon R3 user Jared Polin. After actually watching it all, what are your comments?

Jared Polin: a WARNING to Canon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B_iW0cfzL8

FYI, Jared personally favors using his Canon R3 now, and Canon is the sponsor of Jared's initiatives to give gear to starting photographers, giving them loads of Canon gear, so Canon fanboys dont get all in a tiff, just watch the video before you drop your comments, OK

Cheers and best to you all

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

Watched it and he is correct.
Canon needs to open up about it's path to independent lenses as he said that Canon likely has but not divulged.
I don't care as my current lenses no matter how old work just fine on the R body.
No rush to buy any more lenses even 3rd party lenses.

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

Recent reports show Canon #1 in the WORLD - W O R L D - in mirrorless camera sales. Don't let ideas about the exclusion of 4th-grade junk lenses influence your understanding of the actual market conditions.

If you don't want to use the best, well that's your decision. Everyone has the right to be wrong. Just leaves more for the rest of us, aka the majority of all digital photographers.

(I've been advised the 'news' is Japan, worldwide is still some days / weeks away from being determined. Hopefully, I'm both first and also right...)

juanderfulpics Loc: central jersey

Truth is some 3rd party lenses on the ef mount are superior than the Canon version, I can think of a few. I understand why canon is reluctant to allow, at least until they make some money on their development. Would I buy a 70 200 2.8 from a 3rd party over my RF, absolutely 💯 noooo, but many others would.

PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA

Is this tongue in cheek? There are great high quality lenses produced by others that work on EF mount cameras as well as the lesser quality ones.

gwilliams6

January 2023 from Cameraprism:

"Sony overtakes Canon in the mirrorless camera market
Sony holds the most market shares for mirrorless cameras than Canon in the Japanese market. Despite the fact that Sony hasn’t released a new camera since the Sony A7 IV in October 2021 while Canon has made some recent releases, still failed to crack the top position in market share."

Top Ten cameras in sales from Japan's Top camera dealership network, Kodobashi from late Decenber 2022.
1) Sony A7IV
2) Sony A7RV
3) Sony FX3
4) Nikon Z9
5) Sony A7C Kit
6) Nikon Z50 Kit
7) Sony A7IV Kit
8) Sony ZV-E10
9) Fuji X-T4
10) Fuji X-S10
These are all mirrorless cameras that made the top ten in sales in Japan.

You can make your own judgements about what cameras are trending and most popular now in Japan

Cheers and best to you all.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

A premium off brand better than a kit Canon as Jared pointed out.
But premium to premium the third party always falls far short in all areas.

MDI Mainer

I believe, though, that Sony is also the market leader in the US and Canada, especially for full-frame models.

https://petapixel.com/2022/02/16/sony-sold-more-mirrorless-cameras-than-anyone-else-in-2021/

Additionally I suspect the "world-wide" ranking includes DSLR and attached-lens models, as well as mirrorless interchangeable lens bodies.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

Why do you doubt?

rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania

I watched the video a few minutes after Jared posted it and I agree with him. I also agree with Canon.
Canon will eventually authorize manufacturer like Sigma and Tamron to make RF mount lenses. What Canon is trying to prevent is the Chinese companies from stealing technology developed by Canon and marketing lower cost knockoffs that don't meet Canon standards, and cut into the income Canon needs to pay for their investment into developing the new lenses.
From what I've read and from my own personal experience, EF lenses with an adapter work really well. In many cases just as well as the newer RF lenses. I have two RF cameras, an R5 and R7. I have 1 RF lens, the R7 kit lens, which I don't use very often. I have a large, or large enough, collection of EF glass, most of which have that sexy crimson band.
I've read that many folks don't like to use an adapter, for what ever reason. I've had ZERO issues with the adapted lenses and the adapter adds very little weight and only half an inch in length.
There is a massive amount of EF glass available at really decent prices. Instead of worrying about the availably of aftermarket knockoffs, get an adapter and use good EF glass.

robertjerl Loc: Corona, California

I believe Canon has goofed on the no third party RF lenses.
I am a retired teacher, with other sources of income but still, not rich, photography is a hobby, so I can't write off lenses as a business expense.

I have an R7 and 3 RF lenses, first was the 18-150 kit lens, then the 100-400 non L and after saving for several months I got the RF 100-500L + the RF 1.4x extender. But for most other lenses, I am using my EF mount lenses with the EF>RF adapter. Since making the switch to Canon (from Sigma RD10 & RD14 with 8 lenses) over ten years ago I now have: 6D, 7DII, 80D, 90D, 5DIV and R7. I have lenses in EF mounts by Canon, Tamron, Samyang and in the past I had a couple of Sigmas.
My bridge cameras have gone from Olympus C2030 to Fuji HS10 to Sony RX10iv. I got my wife a Canon SX50, then a T6s and 4 lenses (bought from someone who purchased them while on a European vacation to replace cameras that were stolen)
And I have an old Panasonic ZS6 I got from Costco when it was still a new model, and it has lived in the pocket of one of my jackets or shirts ever since. When I leave the house, it goes with me, no matter what else I may or may not take.
Somewhere north of $40K* on cameras and lenses + editing capable desktop and laptop computers since the 1990s. The great majority of that to Canon products.
But as I said, I am a retired teacher, my wife is a retired Surgical RN and even though I also have a second pension, VA disability, SS (wife has max SS + a 401k) and an outside source of income I am not going to be spending a lot of money on lenses since I have lenses that cover just about everything and they work. Maybe not as well as the latest and greatest RFs but they work and are already paid for.

The only thing I have a borderline case of GAS for is a mirrorless FF, but I don't need it as my 6D and 5DIV have full frame covered.

People like myself need the less expensive third party lenses to use with our Canon bodies. If we can't afford lenses, then we don't buy the bodies.

*I am a bit scared to dig through my records and add up all the cameras, lenses and photo related gear I have bought since the early 90's. I have a suspicion the off the top of my head number will come out too low.
It is a good thing I don't drink or do drugs or take cruises several times a year like one guy I know in the Senior Center Camera Club. That way I can afford my books (mostly e-books), photo gear, sewing stuff for my wife etc.

robertjerl Loc: Corona, California

Especially in the $$$$$. The third party lenses are way short of Canon except for a few special purpose lenses when it comes to price.

Bbarn Loc: Ohio

I bought my last two mirrorless cameras based on features and lenses available at the time of purchase. A possibility of future lenses from additional sources doesn't mean there will be something introduced that I'll buy.

MDI Mainer

Because in my experience these types of marketing numbers can be and often are spun to favor the desired outcome, so are best viewed as indicators of a trend, not absolute evidence of market share.

Basil Loc: New Mexico

I am disappointed that Canon has not opened the RF mount to third party, but that didn't stop me from buying an R5. I know that Sigma and Tamron have made some spectacular glass for the EF mount. Of course I'd always rather have the real deal, but sometimes the budget just isn't there. In the meantime, I'm happy with my one RF lens and the many adapted EF lenses I have. If and when they open it up to third party, I'll see what the competition offers and for what kind of money. I will probably end up buying more Canon glass in the future, but if good third party lenses are out there, I would not discount them out of hand.l